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A thank you to Brexiteers.

Artaxerxes said:
I'm well aware the EU are bastards but the reason I voted remain is because one look over the last 30 years is enough to tell you that the UK is far more eager to embarce full deregulated capitalism and I'd rather be trapped in the EU than trapped in brave new world UK
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I know representative democracy in this country is a machine for creating hopelessness, but the idea that we have to be 'trapped' anywhere is incredibly pessimistic. I voted to remain for the same reasons as you, but it can't be denied that the soft left in the UK refusing to outline a vision for the future of the UK outside of the EU and instead choosing to become cheerleaders for European neoliberalism played a part in creating the so-called 'brave new world UK' that we currently live in. If there were to be another referendum on EU membership, I would never vote to rejoin.
Smokeandsteam said:
The closest Britain has ever got to full employment, strong economic growth, rising wages and collective bargaining covering most of industry was 6 years before we joined the Common Market. Now, of course, the series of development that would occur in the 1970's would have put all of that under massive pressure regardless of the UK joining the common market or not, but then that's not the point you were (wrongly) seeking to make is it?
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You may be interested in Unwitting Architect: German Primacy and the Origins of Neoliberalism which suggests that increased European integration in the 1970s prevented Labour from adopting any alternative economic strategies in response to the crises of the 1970s (and also led to the end of Italian eurocommunism as an electoral force and the failure of Mitterrand's reforms).

$65 but available online for free if you know where to look.
 
Smokeandsteam said:
The closest Britain has ever got to full employment, strong economic growth, rising wages and collective bargaining covering most of industry was 6 years before we joined the Common Market. Now, of course, the series of development that would occur in the 1970's would have put all of that under massive pressure regardless of the UK joining the common market or not, but then that's not the point you were (wrongly) seeking to make is it?
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The only periods where there was full employment 1914-18 and 1939-45
 
depends what you mean by full employment. It was around 3-5% after WWII which is defined by economists as full employment because the people unemployed were in between jobs.
 
Colin Hunt said:
You may be interested in Unwitting Architect: German Primacy and the Origins of Neoliberalism which suggests that increased European integration in the 1970s prevented Labour from adopting any alternative economic strategies in response to the crises of the 1970s (and also led to the end of Italian eurocommunism as an electoral force and the failure of Mitterrand's reforms).
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Thanks for that, I’ll definitely track that down.

On a related point Stuart Holland’s essay here:

manchesteruniversitypress.co.uk

Manchester University Press - Reassessing 1970s Britain

Reassessing 1970s Britain - Browse and buy the Hardcover edition of Reassessing 1970s Britain by Lawrence Black
manchesteruniversitypress.co.uk manchesteruniversitypress.co.uk

is really interesting as he discuss how he attempted to convince Wilson - and failed - that European wide planning and a European industrial strategy could reign in the developing threats to jobs from multinationals and the effect on sterling. As I said earlier the multiple challenges of the 70’s would have posed significant threats to Britain’s corporatist politics regardless of whether it entered the common market or not. But the interesting point in Holland’s essay is how even from the outset the prevailing politics within Europe almost predicted the onset of neoliberalism and actively worked against the model that Britain had adopted after WW2.

ETA: And of course Holland was ideologically committed to the EU. As the next essay in the books notes ‘the Labour Party - then firmly opposed to the EU - could tolerate his socialism but not his Europhile views’.
 
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not sure if an article from 2018 is fair play whilst bring up the achievements of another tory parasite
 
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Brexit voters are visionaries, it's high time they are lauded as such.

Anything else is just sour grapes from shelf obsessed remaniacs.
 
Supine said:
Free plants thanks to Brexit. Get involved if you live in the south west.

www.devonlive.com

Brexit forces garden centre to sell plants for free

The Plants Galore centres in Plymouth, Newton Abbot and Exeter will be giving away plants this weekend as they do not have the staff needed to look after them
www.devonlive.com www.devonlive.com
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I live in the South West but think this is terrible. I am glad they are giving them away rather than letting them die but they will probably go under.
I also work in a Garden Centre & plant prices wholesale are on the up.
 
MrSki said:
I live in the South West but think this is terrible. I am glad they are giving them away rather than letting them die but they will probably go under.
I also work in a Garden Centre & plant prices wholesale are on the up.
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Enough of your plant up fury
 
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