A thank you to Brexiteers.

[Pickman's model]

Emigrating seems the best thing I can do to help, that way nobody has to sit at customs for hours to bring me my cheese.

You should try some UK cheese you might not have seen eg singleton's parlick which is available from eg Sainsbury's

 

[Loose meat]

Ok so the article you refer to is here Subscribe to read | Financial Times
I coudln't read that post upthread because it's a giant wall of text and my eyesisght struggles so I needed to find the original.

The article says it doesn't know how many have returned home for non-Brexit (ie covid) reasons. It is a sector entirely shaped by migrant labour and the fact that it was easily provided while we were in the EU.

So I'm not seeing how Brexit isn't causal.

EDIT: the link has been paywalled. That's bullshit, when I found it was accessible. Never mind

It's diff to think some people could be this thick, unintentionally.

The issue on here began - and remains - a poverty wage issue. Of course there are fewer drivers, the endless supply of SE EU drivers willing to undercut to £10 an hour and less was the reality for a decade. Replacig those with Brits was hampered by 30,000 fewer HGV tests during the pandemic, followed by a pindemic. Owners tried to convert that into 'we must have our cheap labour back' narrative, which the Guardian readily bought.

What we have had recently - on the BBC, in the Guardian, is a narrative controlled by the owners. Again. The issue is poverty wages, food banks and the willingness of employers to blame eveyone else for the fact they do not want to have to pay more than poverty wages. So their solution is to let the SE EU drivers return. Of course it is.

The issue was poverty wages, the issue is poverty wages and the issue will remain poverty wages until foodbanks close and a wage that allows dignity in the workplace returns.

Meanwhile ... lets get back to those moon walk photos.

 

[brogdale]

It's diff to think some people could be this thick, unintentionally.

The issue on here began - and remains - a poverty wage issue. Of course there are fewer drivers, the endless supply of SE EU drivers willing to undercut to £10 an hour and less was the reality for a decade. Replacig those with Brits was hampered by 30,000 fewer HGV tests during the pandemic.

What we have had recently - on the BBC, in the Guardian, is a narrative controlled by the owners. Again. The issue is poverty wages, food banks and the willingness of employers to blame eveyone else for the fact they do not want to have to pay more than poverty wages. So their solution is to let the SE EU drivers return. Of course it is.

The issue was poverty wages, the issue is poverty wages and the issue will remain poverty wages until foodbanks close and a wage that allows dignity in the workplace returns.

Meanwhile ... lets get back to those moon walk photos.

Fuck off.

 

[Loose meat]

Hit the bone didn't I. LOL. Truth hurts: 1 Referendum and 2 General Elections. The Remainer cult heads to the jungle ...

 

[glitch hiker]

It's diff to think some people could be this thick, unintentionally.

The issue on here began - and remains - a poverty wage issue. Of course there are fewer drivers, the endless supply of SE EU drivers willing to undercut to £10 an hour and less was the reality for a decade. Replacig those with Brits was hampered by 30,000 fewer HGV tests during the pandemic, followed by a pindemic. Owners tried to convert that into 'we must have our cheap labour back' narrative, which the Guardian readily bought.

What we have had recently - on the BBC, in the Guardian, is a narrative controlled by the owners. Again. The issue is poverty wages, food banks and the willingness of employers to blame eveyone else for the fact they do not want to have to pay more than poverty wages. So their solution is to let the SE EU drivers return. Of course it is.

The issue was poverty wages, the issue is poverty wages and the issue will remain poverty wages until foodbanks close and a wage that allows dignity in the workplace returns.

Meanwhile ... lets get back to those moon walk photos.

Didn't even read the article. You utter fucking troll. Off you cunt, into the oblivion. I tried to engage, waste of time. Bye bye now

 

[Loose meat]

Bye! Enjoy the jungle!

 

[Pickman's model]

Didn't even read the article. You utter fucking troll. Off you cunt, into the oblivion. I tried to engage, waste of time. Bye bye now

This only makes sense when you have the big ban button. But you don't. You're just putting him on ignore. A much lesser punishment for lm

 

[Ax^]

It's diff to think some people could be this thick, unintentionally.

The issue on here began - and remains - a poverty wage issue. Of course there are fewer drivers, the endless supply of SE EU drivers willing to undercut to £10 an hour and less was the reality for a decade. Replacig those with Brits was hampered by 30,000 fewer HGV tests during the pandemic, followed by a pindemic. Owners tried to convert that into 'we must have our cheap labour back' narrative, which the Guardian readily bought.

What we have had recently - on the BBC, in the Guardian, is a narrative controlled by the owners. Again. The issue is poverty wages, food banks and the willingness of employers to blame eveyone else for the fact they do not want to have to pay more than poverty wages. So their solution is to let the SE EU drivers return. Of course it is.

The issue was poverty wages, the issue is poverty wages and the issue will remain poverty wages until foodbanks close and a wage that allows dignity in the workplace returns.

Meanwhile ... lets get back to those moon walk photos.

 

[Loose meat]

Oh yes, it's all about punishment. Let's cancel the truth. Oh and democracy.

 

[Pickman's model]

It's diff to think some people could be this thick, unintentionally.

The issue on here began - and remains - a poverty wage issue. Of course there are fewer drivers, the endless supply of SE EU drivers willing to undercut to £10 an hour and less was the reality for a decade. Replacig those with Brits was hampered by 30,000 fewer HGV tests during the pandemic, followed by a pindemic. Owners tried to convert that into 'we must have our cheap labour back' narrative, which the Guardian readily bought.

What we have had recently - on the BBC, in the Guardian, is a narrative controlled by the owners. Again. The issue is poverty wages, food banks and the willingness of employers to blame eveyone else for the fact they do not want to have to pay more than poverty wages. So their solution is to let the SE EU drivers return. Of course it is.

The issue was poverty wages, the issue is poverty wages and the issue will remain poverty wages until foodbanks close and a wage that allows dignity in the workplace returns.

Meanwhile ... lets get back to those moon walk photos.

But what are you going to do about poverty wages?

 

[brogdale]

The froth-flecked frenzy of the pre-ban swan-song.

 

[two sheds]

But what are you going to do about poverty wages?

1. Send all the foreigners home 2.use the laws we have now which are perfectly good enough even though they don't work 3. utopia

 

[Loose meat]

I'll think you'll find the correct answer is to read one artcile behind a paywall and 5 years of knowledge and experience evaporates, cos a self-important clown on the internet said.

 

[brogdale]

a self-important clown on the internet, eh?

 

[Raheem]

I'll think you'll find the correct answer is to read one artcile behind a paywall and 5 years of knowledge and experience evaporates, cos a self-important clown on the internet said.

Bet you dream of self-importance.

 

[Loose meat]

He's back: Inspector Bellingcat - our special correspondent from the 'almost certain' internet people.

 

[Supine]

Bet you dream of self-importance.

Just after having angry wanks over pictures of farage

 

[eatmorecheese]

He's back: Inspector Bellingcat - our special correspondent from the 'almost certain' internet people.

 

[AmateurAgitator]

He's back: Inspector Bellingcat - our special correspondent from the 'almost certain' internet people.

I thought you were off. You said bye about 40 minutes ago. You haven't quite got the hang of exiting an online exchange.

 

[gosub]

Marks and Spencers apparently has 21 small branches in France, only two of which are outside Paris.

And the sandwiches have become popular? reeks of British ex-pat. seemlessly integrating themselves into localities like a native for 500 years

 

[Raheem]

And the sandwiches have become popular? reeks of British ex-pat. seemlessly integrating themselves into localities like a native for 500 years

They're in every airport in Paris, I think. Not really much of a thing in France.

 

[two sheds]

They're in every airport in Paris, I think. Not really much of a thing in France.

Ha! Shows what you know. They even have their own french word for it: "le sandwich"

 

[Raheem]

I once went into a cafe in France called Le Sandwicherie and asked for a sandwich. The guy behind the counter laughed. They didn't do food. It was a well rough place.

 

[Chilli.s]

andysays

Thank again for posting that interesting article. Couple of bits stand out for me



In other words, many EU workers who had already applied for and been granted granted settled status have left not because of Brexit, but because of the Covid pandemic.




This illustrates how a dependency on cheaper labour from poorer EU countries has not just depressed wages, but also significantly effected the whole structure of one particular industry, making it less able to cope when cheaper EU workers no longer want to work here. I'm sure that similar changes have occurred in other industries.

Also interesting for those concerned about animal cruelty that, according to the CEO of the British Meat Processors Association, EU freedom of movement has inspired the growth of the new super abattoirs, with all the negative consequences for animal welfare they involve.

And the lack of knowledge of how many EU workers were here and went home is astounding. The implication being that the employers didn't follow regular record keeping, or taxation. Inland revenue too inept

 

[editor]

Hit the bone didn't I. LOL. Truth hurts: 1 Referendum and 2 General Elections. The Remainer cult heads to the jungle ...

Can you stop being a twat, please?

 

[andysays]

And the lack of knowledge of how many EU workers were here and went home is astounding. The implication being that the employers didn't follow regular record keeping, or taxation. Inland revenue too inept

Something along these lines has come up before, on another thread I think.

There seemed to be a bit of uncertainty about whether it's employers or the state who are/were responsible for keeping track of how many EU nationals were in the country, working or otherwise.

 

[Loose meat]

Can you stop being a twat, please?

You've got a dozen people being abusive to me and you want to try and quieten me. Tell you what feller, Fuck off.

 

[Maltin]

You've got a dozen people being abusive to me and you want to try and quieten me. Tell you what feller, Fuck off.

Might be a good time to check your notes.

 

[Spymaster]

You've got a dozen people being abusive to me and you want to try and quieten me. Tell you what feller, Fuck off.

Lol! You're going to get banned now. I think you should get a vpn and reregister at some point though and sneak back in. This was quite a laugh.

 

[Chilli.s]

Only a dozen? Trouble with numbers too