A thank you to Brexiteers.

[Yossarian]

So totally U75: won't someone think of the ski instructors!!

The ski industry guy quoted in the Guardian mentioned bartenders, drivers, cleaners etc., which are not traditionally middle-class occupations - you're just moving the goalposts to support a narrative of anybody who sees a downside of Brexit being posh and out of touch.

The BBC's take on it focused more on the workers - I doubt too many of them will struggle to find alternative employment but the loss of 25,000 jobs doesn't seem like something to sneer at.

Covid and Brexit: Uncertainty leaves seasonal ski staff in limbo

A mix of restrictions has led to uncertainty over whether staff can travel for work in Europe.

www.bbc.com

 

[bimble]

you're just moving the goalposts to support a narrative of anybody who sees a downside of Brexit being posh and out of touch.

This is why its great that loose meat is here, because that's exactly what everyone else was doing on the thread for the past many months but he's even better at it.

 

[brogdale]

This is why its great that loose meat is here, because that's exactly what everyone else was doing on the thread for the past many months but he's even better at it.

Now, with added Hitler references!

 

[andysays]

The ski industry guy quoted in the Guardian mentioned bartenders, drivers, cleaners etc., which are not traditionally middle-class occupations - you're just moving the goalposts to support a narrative of anybody who sees a downside of Brexit being posh and out of touch.

The BBC's take on it focused more on the workers - I doubt too many of them will struggle to find alternative employment but the loss of 25,000 jobs doesn't seem like something to sneer at.

Covid and Brexit: Uncertainty leaves seasonal ski staff in limbo

A mix of restrictions has led to uncertainty over whether staff can travel for work in Europe.

www.bbc.com

Whilst they're not traditionally MC occupations, I'm going to hazard a guess that there will be a higher proportion of MC people among those Brits who choose to travel to eg Switzerland to work as bartenders, drivers, cleaners in ski resorts than in the general population in those workforces. It's basically a way of subsiding an extended skiing/snowboarding holiday, which is fine as far as it goes, but hardly a bread and butter, food on the table issue.

The jobs haven't been "lost", they will presumably go to either the local workforce or people from other EU countries. And as you say, I doubt too many of them will struggle to find alternative employment, just not in a location which enables them to enjoy their current lifestyle so easily.

 

[Loose meat]

The BBC's take on it focused more on the workers - I doubt too many of them will struggle to find alternative employment but the loss of 25,000 jobs doesn't seem like something to sneer at.

Covid and Brexit: Uncertainty leaves seasonal ski staff in limbo

A mix of restrictions has led to uncertainty over whether staff can travel for work in Europe.

www.bbc.com

Many seem to think the Government has asked the tax-funded BBC to kindly move on from Brexit now half a decade has passed since the vote.

Brexit seems to be for the Guardian what Diana still is to the Mail and Express.

 

[Chz]

Whilst they're not traditionally WC occupations, I'm going to hazard a guess that there will be a higher proportion of MC people among those Brits who choose to travel to eg Switzerland to work as bartenders, drivers, cleaners in ski resorts than in the general population in those workforces. It's basically a way of subsiding an extended skiing/snowboarding holiday, which is fine as far as it goes, but hardly a bread and butter, food on the table issue.

The jobs haven't been "lost", they will presumably go to either the local workforce or people from other EU countries. And as you say, I doubt too many of them will struggle to find alternative employment, just not in a location which enables them to enjoy their current lifestyle so easily.

The majority of those jobs would be purely to support British tourists, who are also going to be short on the ground. I'd say those jobs are actually lost for the time being. Eventually the visa rules will relax and Brit skiers will have to get used to the idea of their chalet hosts and bartenders speaking in an accent, but in the short term there's a definite loss there.
(Mrs works for a ski tour company. Or did, before they went bust too.)

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

It’s high time British tourists put on the big boy pants and accepted that when in France they may have to meet French people.

 

[Pickman's model]

The majority of those jobs would be purely to support British tourists, who are also going to be short on the ground. I'd say those jobs are actually lost for the time being. Eventually the visa rules will relax and Brit skiers will have to get used to the idea of their chalet hosts and bartenders speaking in an accent, but in the short term there's a definite loss there.
(Mrs works for a ski tour company. Or did, before they went bust too.)

Let them ski in the Cairngorms

 

[The39thStep]

Does anyone remember the kefuffle British ski resort firms put up when the Swiss and French insisted that all workers should get the French and Swiss minimum wage not the pittance that the UK firms were paying ?

 

[krtek a houby]

It’s high time British tourists put on the big boy pants and accepted that when in France they may have to meet French people.

Big boy ski pants

 

[Chz]

Does anyone remember the kefuffle British ski resort firms put up when the Swiss and French insisted that all workers should get the French and Swiss minimum wage not the pittance that the UK firms were paying ?

They got around that by deducting room and board at source. They still get (well, got) a pittance. Which is why I'd agree that despite the positions not being traditional MC work, they were most definitely in the main staffed by MC Brits. And proper ski bums who didn't care about earning more than they need to eat.

 

[Elpenor]

In my experience most people who “did a ski season” probably did similar jobs in Sydney during their gap yah before going back to London to work in marketing.

 

[Chz]

Am being told that the only ski job where you'll see WC (because they mostly can't afford to work for such a pittance) is chefs. They get paid reasonably. As do nannies, but not exactly a bastion of salt-of-the-earth types there.

 

[The39thStep]

Find it hard to believe that 25000 Brits are/ were employed working in ski resorts tbh . Think that is more likely to be a figure for posted workers in tourism abroad generally.

 

[krtek a houby]

Urban needs more skiers/skier related workers to put us right. Otherwise, we just argue and get piste off.

 

[Dogsauce]

Plenty of hospitality jobs back here!

It is a bit of a gap year job, my sister did it after graduation from a language degree for a few years, though she was tour rep rather than bar/cleaning so did all the meeting guests and sorting out problems for people, skiing in winter, hill walking stuff in summer (‘lakes and mountains’ I think they called it). Meant she could do loads of outdoor stuff when not working.

 

[Ax^]

The Guardian adds another vital theme to its middle-class narratives - pet passports, roaming charges and, for gods sake, won't someone think of the school ski trips:

UK school skiing trips to EU could be wiped out by Brexit visa rules

Extra cost of permission for British temporary staff to work in resorts likely to be prohibitive for firms

www.theguardian.com

You tend to read a lot of Guardian articles

 

[Loose meat]

I just read a lot.

 

[brogdale]

I just read a lot.

It's good to have one redeeming feature, at least.

 

[Pickman's model]

I just read a lot.

But sadly neither widely nor well

 

[Loose meat]

It's coming home, it's coming home >>

 

[MrSki]

So it is not the middle class Gaurdian readers you give as shit about then? It is the FT readers.

quick question who will food shortages impact most

 

[Loose meat]

Project Fear peaks again.

 

[The39thStep]

So it is not the middle class Gaurdian readers you give as shit about then? It is the FT readers.

quick question who will food shortages impact most

Which food shortages are these?

 

[Pickman's model]

Which food shortages are these?

Pate de foie gras no doubt

 

[Loose meat]

Which food shortages are these?

It's becasue of Brexit; no one to pick the crops - no wait, that was a couple of months ago

It's becasue of Brexit; 'red tape' and bureaucracy and 'paperwork' - no wait, that was last month

It's becasue of Brexit; employers became so used to exploiting imported labour and paying poverty wages

 

[The39thStep]

The food shortages I'm concerned about is the inability for some families to afford to feed their kids properly on a daily basis.

 

[Yossarian]

The food shortages I'm concerned about is the inability for some families to afford to feed their kids properly on a daily basis.

 

[krtek a houby]

I just read a lot.

Project meat peaks again

 

[bimble]

Which food shortages are these?

This is the really scary bit.

Lorry driver shortage threatens Haribo sweets

The German confectionery giant is struggling to get supplies of Goldbears and Tangfastics to UK shops.

www.bbc.co.uk

I think they're the people who make the fizzy cola bottle sweets in which case this is serious. Cement and tinned tomatoes meh.