A thank you to Brexiteers.
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Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
Of course I assume that, I have the utmost respect for the her, also for the EU's chief Brexit negotiator, who also stated as fact that the UK's faster roll out was 100% down to Brexit. I doff me cap at the pair of 'em.
krtek a houby
Merry Xmas!
Brexit is a grand old wheeze. Hope we can get another 5 years out of it.
Loose meat
Well-Known Member
It's a proper industry, paid-off plenty of middle-class mortgages - half a decade and counting.
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
I think the logic of some of them is that they wanted the EU to roll the vaccine out first , wait for the bodies to pile up and then blame BrexitRemoaners still in denial on this, I see!
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
Exactly this. They're disappointed.
andysays
Love and solidarity
I imagine lots of them actually have died over the past 18 months.
When we eventually get back to some sort of post covid normality and the full figures are known, I wouldn't be surprised to see calls to re-run the referendum on that very basis.
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Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
The mistake that's being made here is to consider it to be "the EU" exporting the vaccines. It's not. It's companies that manufacture vaccine in EU locations. Those companies were contracted to supply X number of vaccines to various non-EU states. The EU failed to move quickly enough to secure its own supplies from manufacturers in its own backyard who then commenced fulfillment of the other orders contractually (including to the UK in the case of AZ). The EU then threatened to prevent exports (not just to the UK but everywhere) but eventually realised that was a massive cunt's trick, so are spinning it that they are this huge benevolent vaccine exporter as if that was their plan all along.
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Yossarian
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I think most people on both sides of the debate apart from a few sociopathic outliers would have preferred to see fewer COVID deaths, not more, tbh.
Loose meat
Well-Known Member
The EU didn't create a vaccine, though Germany had an interet in one that was profit-led. The EU only had production plants and contracts, and some of those contracts were with buyers outside the EU.
Dogsauce
I’ve got Skol but I’m not a Scholar
Arguably, the Delta variant was allowed to be imported here because Johnson didn’t want to upset Modi by closing the door when the science suggested he should, a decision based on securing a post-Brexit trade deal with India. We’re Europe’s Typhoid Mary right now because of this Brexit-related decision.
Loose meat
Well-Known Member
Are you saying the EU would have avoided the Delta variant but for Johnson's decision on India?
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
Don't know about the EU but the UK wouldn't be seeing it flood the country if Johnson had followed the data
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
Possibly. If that's the case there will be no Delta wave in Europe. We'll see.
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
But also, it doesn't really matter if it floods the country if all it does is makes people sneeze a bit. What's important are hospitalisations and deaths, not infections.
Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
The EU hasn't exported a single vaccine.
The EU's ineptitude in procuring vaccines for their citizens led to a massive delay and the additional deaths associated with that delay.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
You forget that infections lead to adaptations and new variants. Not all may prove to be so gentle to the vaccinated.
cupid_stunt
Chief seagull hater & farmerbarleymow's nemesis.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
What about all the ones we've received from the other side of the channel?
Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
From the EU? I thought they were some kind of political organisation rather than a vaccine manufacturer.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
A political and economic union, also shorthand for 25 countries on the continent (plus some island countries in the med)
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
They're not from "the EU".
They're from private companies who are contracted to supply that product but happen to manufacture it in the EU. The commission has shown that if they were able to stop those exports without the shit hitting every fan in Brussells, they would.
Those vaccine exports are being made despite the EU, not because of them.
Loose meat
Well-Known Member
I think you'll find it's a shimmering, amorphous empire of virtue over the ways.
two sheds
Least noticed poster 2007
Doesn't that make the UK vaccines nothing to do with Brexit because they're from private companies who happen to manufacture in the UK?
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
Err, dunno. If you like, but that's not the argument for Brexit being instrumental in the UK vaccine roll-out is it.
Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
The UK didn't make any vaccines either, they were quick out of the traps to secure a supply for their citizens though, which the EU didn't, the reason being, as acknowledged by the EU is that due to the very structure of the EU it is shit at doing things at a reasonable pace.
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
‘Plague Island ‘
cupid_stunt
Chief seagull hater & farmerbarleymow's nemesis.
Except the UK government backed development of the Oxford vaccine, and helped to broker the deal with AstraZeneca to licence it across the world, and deliver it at cost price.
The AZ vaccine is currently being produced at 25 different manufacturing sites, in 15 countries, and they are on target to deliver 3 billion doses by the end of the year, the majority for poor to middle income countries, that's a hell of a lot more than what will be exported by companies manufacturing within EU countries.
Dogsauce
I’ve got Skol but I’m not a Scholar
There will be, but it will mostly have come from here.
the euros won’t be helping matters, but we need bread and circuses.
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