24 Hours in Police Custody
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IT'S YOUR DECISION DANIEL
That was this weeks
Numbers
an ting!
We watched the baby one y/day.
After watching it we spoke about would it be better if the baby died? 7 weeks old, irreversible brain damage, blind, deaf, cerebral palsy in 4 limbs, will never be able to walk, unable to eat without a tube - just seems a life of misery is ahead, or is there any hope or chance of experiencing some good things with proper care? I'm not saying we think he would be better dead, in fact we couldn't answer because we don't know what his life would be like, he deserves a chance however small. Truly sad tho'.
BoatieBird
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BoatieBird
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Two separate cases.
There wasn't enough evidence to proceed in the first case so all charges were dropped.
I think they used it to show how difficult it is to get a conviction.
This shocked me so much.
BoatieBird
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Me too, I'd always assumed in cases like this that both people would be charged.
cupid_stunt
Chief seagull hater & farmerbarleymow's nemesis.
Well, I was confused, the one on yesterday was a repeat from Monday, no idea why my freesat box recorded a repeat, that doesn't usually happen, I guess someone at C-4 must had tagged it wrong for recording. 
While I was watching I was thinking it was a possible instruction maual for anyone that ever found themselves in that situation. I'm pretty sure I've seen cases where both parents were convicted and wondered if there was a specific charge that needs to be brought.
Not exactly the same....but it seems ridiculous that a joint enterprise murder charge can see 10 boys with long sentences when some might not have even been at the scene but 2 parents in the same house can't be charged for the murder of a baby despite expert witnesses being certain of the cause and likely time of death.
xsunnysuex
Life is a horizontal fall.
New 2 parts on tonight
Smokeandsteam
Working Class First
Christ. That was horrific viewing. Absolutely stomach churning.
The sentences for both seem depressingly light. A community order for the mother and 18 years for the battery and murder of a child by the piece of shit she lived with. I found myself disappointed that he survived the van smashing into him
tonysingh
Random Clever and Witty Strapline
I don't know if this brings any comfort but i know that this series is very popular in prison and thanks to it, that cunt is having a horrible time of it right this moment. His life will be a living hell
He wasn't like that when they got together, he was probably charming, a big strong man who she found attractive and presumably could provide support to her when she was on her own trying to look after 3 children. It was quite clear she was unable to recognise it had become an abusive relationship. All the signs of minimising and self blame were there. She didn't see it as a problem if it wasn't in front of the kids and she thought his behaviour was normal.....so why wouldn't she have him in the house?
I wondered what her other relationships had been like. The fella who was Teddie's real dad was with her for a matter of months from what I've read and where was the dad of the other 3 kids?..and how did they come to split up? I think it said in the first part the kids had gone to him?...... Assuming he was having contact beforehand he might have been the one to recognise they were living with a lunatic since she was unable to.... Or maybe he was just as bad.
I also wondered why he had an appropriate adult with him when he was interviewed so that police were sure he understood what was being put to him. Normally that would only happen with under 18s or people with mental health problems or learning difficulties. He was 31, much as I was surprised to read that. He was talking himself into a hole and didn't even acknowledge his controlling behaviour in terms of telling her to come back from the park and to get her to say the fellas second name or whatever.... his methods just worked and that was that, he wasn't trying to hide anything and was almost proud of it because it achieved what he wanted. Every interaction with him seemed to show him to be unable to manage himself appropriately. I'd be very surprised if he didn't have a diagnosis of some sort and tbh I wondered if the police had put any safeguarding measures in for him when he went off and tried to top himself because it surely should've been considered a risk after what they'd told him about Teddie not being his kid.
I read a BBC report that said a social worker went out end of September, after the reports of fighting between the couple and spoke with her about domestic abuse but she said he was in the house and the conversation ended. Sounds to me.like something that should have been followed up very soon after.
There's a serious case review to come later this year that should make interesting reading.
Thora
Differently Ethical
I'm sure she is a very damaged person (both of them probably) but the relationship with this man she'd known for 5 minutes was more important to her than the violence he inflicted on her older children or that he tortured and murdered her newborn. Her lack of response to the police detailing all the injuries. Just the lack of normal parental instinct I guess seemed so bizarre.
She seemed to be caring for the children in other ways - clean bedrooms and clothes and taking them to school and the park - just no willingness or ability to keep them safe from terror and violence.
She seemed to be caring for the children in other ways - clean bedrooms and clothes and taking them to school and the park - just no willingness or ability to keep them safe from terror and violence.
tbf I'm probably a bit jaded having seen so many families that don't fit the usual expectations. Very little surprises me about the shitty ways people treat each other or function in relationships and I've seen too many mum's choose their partner over their kids even when it comes to removing them.
Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
He's a properly horrible cunt. Came very, very close to losing it in the interview room there. Imagine there's a quite a few horrible cunts inside, but he seems on a higher level, and being a baby killer and someone who loses his rag at the drop of a hat I can well imagine that not going down too favourably.
What a truly awful human being. I also wondered about the 'appropriate adult' being present. They didn't mention any mental issues, learning difficulties etc but that person wouldn't have been there if there weren't.
I'm a dad myself and I cannot fathom how you could even harm a hair on his little head let alone do what this guy did. I'm glad he survived that suicide attempt. He now has 18 years to punch holes in the wall of his cell. Cunt.
I'm a dad myself and I cannot fathom how you could even harm a hair on his little head let alone do what this guy did. I'm glad he survived that suicide attempt. He now has 18 years to punch holes in the wall of his cell. Cunt.
Yeah she just seemed to have this really weird disconnect. I can understand why she wanted to keep the police and others away from her relationship but its impossible to escape that somebody battered her baby to death. It was one of them and she knew it wasn't her.
Just a complete disconnect.
Both very messed up people and he did strike me as having quite a young mental age, certainly the tantrums and child-like lying.
That poor baby and those poor other kids of hers.
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