Its possible to have sympathy on a human level and still think they had it coming and punishment is richly deserved. You could easily make the same argument about an addict in that there would be no heroin related problems at all if there was no market for it. Doesn't mean I can't have sympathy for some addicts.
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Its possible to have sympathy on a human level and still think they had it coming and punishment is richly deserved. You could easily make the same argument about an addict in that there would be no heroin related problems at all if there was no market for it. Doesn't mean I can't have sympathy for some addicts.
pinkmonkey
2.4 hour party person
I’ve been fascinated with Encrochat since it first got busted, at the same time I can’t quite believe that that many serious crims put that much trust in it. But then again, I’m mindblown by the incriminating stuff that gets shared on Facebook. I once deleted a post on a group I admin where someone was asking for mdma to help his heroin addict friend who was clucking. Mate, it’s a public group, WTAF?
ddraig
kicking against the pricks...
yup and bang to rights with 2 phones on the go!
ddraig
kicking against the pricks...
yes it did seem rushed at the end! Would like to have seen the bit where they proved main guy was "Jaguar Palace" etc
ddraig
kicking against the pricks...
I wondered that but it said in the text at the end that the Brooks bloke was "Jaguar Palace"
clicker
nanook rubs it....
But they showed Brooks the mobile phone data, showing Jaguar Palaces phone and his phone were always close to each other...and one switched on as one switched off. He didn't deny it.
I do wonder if we were deliberately not shown everything.
tonysingh
Random Clever and Witty Strapline
I get all that, I just kinda think there's people above Jaguar Palace in the chain.
clicker
nanook rubs it....
Ah yes, undoubtedly. I wondered how far they would trace the drugs back. But it could be that they just had to target the people involved once it was imported. UK soil and all that.
It definitely left more questions than answers.
DaveCinzano
WATCH OUT, GEORGE, HE'S GOT A SCREWDRIVER!
Of course they obfuscated!
'Oh gee, this is how all our big busts happen, completely found the load by accident, and wow, what luck, a dodgy phone...'
'Oh gee, this is how all our big busts happen, completely found the load by accident, and wow, what luck, a dodgy phone...'
Agreed.
tonysingh
Random Clever and Witty Strapline
These guys were patsys, nothing more or less.
DaveCinzano
WATCH OUT, GEORGE, HE'S GOT A SCREWDRIVER!
The courier was more of a pastie TBF
tonysingh
Random Clever and Witty Strapline
Yeah I got the impression there were much bigger operators below them in the chain as well. Its not like they had a big distribution web in the UK. These guys were just logistics likely involved because they were so normal and not on any Police radars.
Beyond the silliness of the dashcam there were some right schoolboy mistakes. Setting up a business front but not attempting to operate as a legit business in anyway? Carrying his clean phone and dodge phone at the same time switched on? All very amateurish.
tonysingh
Random Clever and Witty Strapline
The more I think on it, the more I can see their big fish bubbling them up to the old bill, let them catch a case whilst more gear flows in through another method. Police are happy, they got a win they can wave on TV, the higher ups the criminal chain have just paid their tax and everyone's a winner. Except for the simple simons doing between 6 to 21 year that is.
DaveCinzano
WATCH OUT, GEORGE, HE'S GOT A SCREWDRIVER!
They didn't even seem to have any mechanisms in place to launder their money!
tonysingh
Random Clever and Witty Strapline
"You've seen them on 24 Hours In Police Custody but making their debut on Britain's Thickest Criminals...."
21 stretch up ya arse at 50 year old! That’s rough. I’d have been singing like a canary.
How on earth did they get mixed up with that.
How on earth did they get mixed up with that.
clicker
nanook rubs it....
The luxurious life of 'Jaguar Palace' - the man behind Herts' biggest drugs bust
The multi millionaire had fancy cars and holidays, but will now spend 21 years behind bars
DaveCinzano
WATCH OUT, GEORGE, HE'S GOT A SCREWDRIVER!
And the coppers kept banging on about how their unit only dealt with the very smartest crooks...
Read the article a few posts up. It sounds like he was doing it for anybody who would give him enough money. Silly man, why would you start getting involved in stuff like that at 50 year old.
ddraig
kicking against the pricks...
Yeah I read that. Didn't cover that in the prog tho, just saw that there were x deliveries
Considering it was nearly 3 hours worth of TV as well.
On Fire
Well-Known Member
Yes definitely EncroChat gave criminals a false sense of security. I can't see how it was any more secure than using WhatsApp or Signal on a password protected iPhone or Android phone.
Ultimately, it turned out to be less secure than that because according to Wikipedia the entire thing got hacked and busted by European police joint operation. EncroChat's server was in France and had malware put on it by the police.
pinkmonkey
2.4 hour party person
Because I’ve got nothing better to do (BIG LIE) I went on a Google oddysey and discovered that Brooks wife was director of warehousing/haulage companies (obviously both fronts too) at the same address, obviously with these programmes they’re not gonna reveal much are they?
If it weren’t for being the police, I’d have loved a job like this, or in forensics, I’m a natural
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