2004 F1 Championship
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Ich bin ein Mod
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But crucially it didn't fall off the track
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the B said:
So trying not to choke by lifting the helmet up whilst driving at nigh on 200mph one handed and trying to concentrate on an imminent overtaking manouvre is not just a little distracting?.... sure these drivers are of an elite but I couldn't imagine many others that wouldn't rather pit then continue in such a situation.
Would be interesting to see how many laps Button could have gone for before having to come in.... One Handed F1 Bernie?
g force
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Fisi to renault is a great move, I just hope Nick can get the second Williams seat he deserves.
Luizzi is a class act by all account and Sauber would be a very good first drive for him, much more so than Jaguar, where I think Ant will end up. I thought Klien might also move to Sauber with Massa going the other way due to the Red Bull link but he may just stay at Jag.
But, BAR have gone to lengths to point out that Sato hasn't been singed for next year, which makes me think they're weighing up Ant and maybe even Nick as possible replacements.
Luizzi is a class act by all account and Sauber would be a very good first drive for him, much more so than Jaguar, where I think Ant will end up. I thought Klien might also move to Sauber with Massa going the other way due to the Red Bull link but he may just stay at Jag.
But, BAR have gone to lengths to point out that Sato hasn't been singed for next year, which makes me think they're weighing up Ant and maybe even Nick as possible replacements.
damaged goods said:So trying not to choke by lifting the helmet up whilst driving at nigh on 200mph one handed and trying to concentrate on an imminent overtaking manouvre is not just a little distracting?.... sure these drivers are of an elite but I couldn't imagine many others that wouldn't rather pit then continue in such a situation.
Would be interesting to see how many laps Button could have gone for before having to come in.... One Handed F1 Bernie?
Not to choke? That's an exaggeration I've been reading in many places...
And he was doing this on the straights only - when F1 drivers have relatively little to do.
kyser_soze
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Okay B, let;'s put you in a car that does 200MPH+ on straights, give you a lossew chinstrap that cuts your breathing off and see if you can even keep the car in a straight line.
And given that he came up from 13th on the grid I'd say that was a pretty decent afternoons driving.
*sings* only 4 weeks til I go to Spa for the weekend*
And given that he came up from 13th on the grid I'd say that was a pretty decent afternoons driving.
*sings* only 4 weeks til I go to Spa for the weekend*
kyser_soze said:
It wasn't a loose chinstrap. It wasn't cutting off his breathing. It was a loose strap that held his visor in place...
He didn't have a solidly good drive - it was good in places, shit in others.
And for a Formula 1 driver - when you're going down the straights, your mind is very much free to do other things.
The 'great' or I'd guess most of the drivers tend to be able to drive along and have their mind working away at other things as they drive.
The only reason Button probably took his hand off the visor at all is that an F1 car just takes a lot of elbow to turn. I don't think it would have distracted him that much - especially as he did it just down the straights.
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the B said:It wasn't a loose chinstrap. It wasn't cutting off his breathing. It was a loose strap that held his visor in place...
Has Button changed his mind as to what happened in the race? During the post race interview (which is available to read on the BAR website) he clearly states that the team initially thought it was a visor but it wasn't, the strap under the helmet was a little bit loose which in turn causes the helmet to lift up and catch on the throat making it very difficult to breathe. Therefore, he had to push the helmet down so that air could get in.
I don't mean to harp on about it but I know what I heard and as far as I know he hasn't gone back on what has already been said.
Anyway....Sato still unconfirmed for BAR, maybe an appropriate successor to Mr. Montoya?...oh, maybe not, he's not German is he...
I can see Liuzzi being signed on a long term contract by Ferrari and then being loaned out to Sauber for a couple of years to see how he fairs. Sauber have the Ferrari connection through their engines - and Sauber and Liuzzi have the Red Bull sponsership in common.
Wasn't Filipe Massa touted to be Michael's eventual replacement? Getting Liuzzi into a race car would be a smart move.
I wonder why Trulli hasn't been mentioned more often in connection with the spare seat at Williams. I think he'd be a better signing than Heidfeld. Dispite Nick being in fairly crap cars for the majority of his career he hasn't shown too much promise recently - even Pantano seems to be getting closer to him in the last few races.
A pairing of Webber and Heidfeld seems a little too 'safe' for me. Both men are competant drivers but I see very little excitement in them. I guess by going for this couple Williams are hoping to save costs through preserving their cars, after having the turbulent Montoya and Ralf who were/are prone to roughing them up a fair bit.
I've never understood engine suppliers wanting a driver of the same nationality. You'd think that they might want the 'best driver' for the car. But that's just crazy talk!
Wasn't Filipe Massa touted to be Michael's eventual replacement? Getting Liuzzi into a race car would be a smart move.
I wonder why Trulli hasn't been mentioned more often in connection with the spare seat at Williams. I think he'd be a better signing than Heidfeld. Dispite Nick being in fairly crap cars for the majority of his career he hasn't shown too much promise recently - even Pantano seems to be getting closer to him in the last few races.
A pairing of Webber and Heidfeld seems a little too 'safe' for me. Both men are competant drivers but I see very little excitement in them. I guess by going for this couple Williams are hoping to save costs through preserving their cars, after having the turbulent Montoya and Ralf who were/are prone to roughing them up a fair bit.
I've never understood engine suppliers wanting a driver of the same nationality. You'd think that they might want the 'best driver' for the car. But that's just crazy talk!
g force
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Well to a degree they do want the best driver, but if they're the appropriate nationality all the better.
I agree on Trulli - he would be a good driver for Williams, it's just I want Nick to have a good drive - i'd be happy if he went to Toyota TBH because they have potential, and being based in Cologne a German would fit right in. It's obvious Toyota signed Ralf he has a massive crash and now they're panicing and offering Trulli silly money to drive.
A Webber/DC driver line up would also be very conservative. I still where the hell DC is going to end up - i'd think Jag but I imagine he'd prefer Sauber.
I think Sato will probably stay at BAR unless they can get someone with more potential and Ferrari seem to be snapping up the best talent. Of the rest Toccacelo looks very quick, Doornbos, Giammaria and Enge aqll have potential. Of course, the could pick Ant but i'm not sure Honda want 2 brits in the team.
I agree on Trulli - he would be a good driver for Williams, it's just I want Nick to have a good drive - i'd be happy if he went to Toyota TBH because they have potential, and being based in Cologne a German would fit right in. It's obvious Toyota signed Ralf he has a massive crash and now they're panicing and offering Trulli silly money to drive.
A Webber/DC driver line up would also be very conservative. I still where the hell DC is going to end up - i'd think Jag but I imagine he'd prefer Sauber.
I think Sato will probably stay at BAR unless they can get someone with more potential and Ferrari seem to be snapping up the best talent. Of the rest Toccacelo looks very quick, Doornbos, Giammaria and Enge aqll have potential. Of course, the could pick Ant but i'm not sure Honda want 2 brits in the team.
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I agree g-force, I feel that Sato will remain at BAR, he seems to fit comfortably into the team and I can see no reason why he would want to move at this time. Geoff Willis has denied any rumour of wanting to replace Sato but to be honest I am a little surprised that he is still unconfirmed for 2005.
Davidson has been linked to Sauber to replace Fisi but of course nothing is certain. It would be good to see Davidson prove his abilities at race level.
Heidfeld looks most certain to replace Ralf, not only because Williams attempted to sign him in time for the German GP, which was prevented by Eddie Jordan, but also because I feel that it is more important to BMW to have a German driver than they are actually making out.
I doubt that Mika or Jaques will be back for 2005, there's a lot of uncertainty and a good deal of baggage and cost which comes with these two.... who next, Nigel Mansell?!!
Davidson has been linked to Sauber to replace Fisi but of course nothing is certain. It would be good to see Davidson prove his abilities at race level.
Heidfeld looks most certain to replace Ralf, not only because Williams attempted to sign him in time for the German GP, which was prevented by Eddie Jordan, but also because I feel that it is more important to BMW to have a German driver than they are actually making out.
I doubt that Mika or Jaques will be back for 2005, there's a lot of uncertainty and a good deal of baggage and cost which comes with these two.... who next, Nigel Mansell?!!
Ich bin ein Mod
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Sato's only with BAR cos of the Honda engine deal. He wrecks too many cars to be competitive and makes silly mistakes
g force
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I think talk of JV and the Hakk is very misplaced - they've been out of it too long, cost too much when in comparison to the good drivers who are still around
Teams for 2005 from what we know. I'll put my preferences/best guesses in brackets:
Ferrari - MS + Rubens
Tester: Badoer/Luizzi
McLaren - JPM + Kimi
Tester: Wurz/De la Rosa
Williams - Webber + (Hiedfeld/Davidson)
Tester: Pizzonia
Renault - Alonso + Fisichella
Tester: Montagny
BAR - Button + Sato
Tester: Davidson/new driver
Sauber - (Luizzi/DC) + (Paffett/Davidson)
Tester: Massa/Luizzi
Jaguar - (DC) + (Klien - they need the Red Bull $$)
Tester: Panis?
Toyota - Ralf + Trulli - that seems like a done deal to me
Tester: Zonta
Jordan - (Pantano) + (Verstappen - for the $$)
Tester: Glock
Minardi - (Bruni)+ (anyone)
Tester:
The biggest deal is who gets the secodn Williams seat - can't see it being DC - so of the other possibilites there's Trulli (Toyota most likely), Ant (inexperienced) or Nick.
Now, Sauber may take the risk on 2 very young drivers - Paffeet seems like a front runner from what Peter Sauber has been saying and Luizzi will be signed by Ferrari and prolly loaned out to gain epxerience. Doubt they'll keep Massa TBH.
God knows what's happening at Jordan - are they the team being taken over? Seems like it but still no official word. Minardi have lost their lead sponsor so will be rent-a-drive again.
Teams for 2005 from what we know. I'll put my preferences/best guesses in brackets:
Ferrari - MS + Rubens
Tester: Badoer/Luizzi
McLaren - JPM + Kimi
Tester: Wurz/De la Rosa
Williams - Webber + (Hiedfeld/Davidson)
Tester: Pizzonia
Renault - Alonso + Fisichella
Tester: Montagny
BAR - Button + Sato
Tester: Davidson/new driver
Sauber - (Luizzi/DC) + (Paffett/Davidson)
Tester: Massa/Luizzi
Jaguar - (DC) + (Klien - they need the Red Bull $$)
Tester: Panis?
Toyota - Ralf + Trulli - that seems like a done deal to me
Tester: Zonta
Jordan - (Pantano) + (Verstappen - for the $$)
Tester: Glock
Minardi - (Bruni)+ (anyone)
Tester:
The biggest deal is who gets the secodn Williams seat - can't see it being DC - so of the other possibilites there's Trulli (Toyota most likely), Ant (inexperienced) or Nick.
Now, Sauber may take the risk on 2 very young drivers - Paffeet seems like a front runner from what Peter Sauber has been saying and Luizzi will be signed by Ferrari and prolly loaned out to gain epxerience. Doubt they'll keep Massa TBH.
God knows what's happening at Jordan - are they the team being taken over? Seems like it but still no official word. Minardi have lost their lead sponsor so will be rent-a-drive again.
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g force said:
From what I've read, the Emirate of Dubai announced that it intends to buy control of an F1 team which will be ran from Dubai whilst leaving the operational base in Britain.
Apparently Sheikh Ahmed bin Saeed al-Maktoum is in advanced negotiations with an unannounced team. Rumour has it that the team they intend to buy is Jordan which will become known as the 'official' Dubai Team.
Jordan has neither confirmed nor denied but one thing is for certain, the Emirate of Dubai is certainly not short of a few quid.....
....could they be the Roman Abramovich of F1?
g force
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Christ knows...more importantly can they save a flagging team?
Jordan have problems way beyond simple finances. The aero on the car is generally considered quite good but the chassis (traditionally a Jordan strength) is piss poor. The management ain't great. The good technical staff have left for Renault, Toyota and Jag.
And then there's the real problem...the crappy Cosworth. Unless these people are investing in Ford as well the car will still be slow. If they throw a lot of money at either Merc or mebbe Renault (can't see that happening) to get a decent customer engine then they'll make progress. But without a decent engine and great aero/chassis work, Jordan will still be fighting with Minardi and Jag near the back.
The only light might be the new regs which may give them some hope.
Jordan have problems way beyond simple finances. The aero on the car is generally considered quite good but the chassis (traditionally a Jordan strength) is piss poor. The management ain't great. The good technical staff have left for Renault, Toyota and Jag.
And then there's the real problem...the crappy Cosworth. Unless these people are investing in Ford as well the car will still be slow. If they throw a lot of money at either Merc or mebbe Renault (can't see that happening) to get a decent customer engine then they'll make progress. But without a decent engine and great aero/chassis work, Jordan will still be fighting with Minardi and Jag near the back.
The only light might be the new regs which may give them some hope.
GarfieldLeChat
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dubai buying jorden hmmm sound's a little ironic if they had to change their name eh!!! 
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Also, the Hungarian GP is being held on Assumption Day................Feasts....................Hungary..............geddit?...........
mmmm.......i'll be off then.............
mmmm.......i'll be off then.............
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I dunno, as much as I dislike the Red Wash I always half expect Ferrari to win, simply because of their performance so far this season.
Hungary will be tight though, a lot will depend on the qualifying positions and strategy what with the circuit being notoriously slow and lacking in overtaking opportunities. If Kimi, JB, Alonso et al can qualify ahead of Schumi then I feel Ferrari will have quite a fight on their hands.
If Schumi does end up on pole I think that Kimi could prove a real pain in the arse and, provided there isn't a repeat of Hockenheim, could go onto win.
In all, expect Schumi to win, would like to see Kimi stop him but also hoping to see JB grab his first victory.
Two weeks and counting!......
Hungary will be tight though, a lot will depend on the qualifying positions and strategy what with the circuit being notoriously slow and lacking in overtaking opportunities. If Kimi, JB, Alonso et al can qualify ahead of Schumi then I feel Ferrari will have quite a fight on their hands.
If Schumi does end up on pole I think that Kimi could prove a real pain in the arse and, provided there isn't a repeat of Hockenheim, could go onto win.
In all, expect Schumi to win, would like to see Kimi stop him but also hoping to see JB grab his first victory.
Two weeks and counting!......
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Yeah, it was during his time at Ferrari, he started in 12th and after scything his way up to 2nd managed to go on to win after pulling off a double overtake manouvre on Ayrton Senna and a backmarker!........ahh, they were the days!
Whoever thought some other manufacturer who thought they were good is going to win the constructors...I'll put money on the fact that they don't. It can only be Renault and only if they get a 1 and 2 at every Grand Prix of the season provided Ferrari don't score at least 11 points for the rest of the season...
Anyway, Damon Hill is said to be making an appearence...on I'm a Wankface Idiot Who Wants To Get Ouf of Here...
Ferrari to take the constructors in Belgium then?
Anyway, Damon Hill is said to be making an appearence...on I'm a Wankface Idiot Who Wants To Get Ouf of Here...
Ferrari to take the constructors in Belgium then?
g force
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damaged goods said:
Ah yes...ranks alongside the Piquet double move at Brands, and ovetrtakign Berger on the outside of the final turn at Mexico as on of the overtaking manouvers in F1 - bet Steffan Johansen didn't know what the hell had happened!! Could always rely on Nige for an overtaking opportunity
Who said they weren't going to win it
Spa for sure - MSloves that circuit, although on current form, I think Kimi will be right up there, and so will Button and Sato.Jean Todt has rubbished claims that Mosley's proposals for F1 would improve the spectacle of F1 by increasing overtaking because they don't focus on the brakes and that ultimately, the fast cars are the front of the grid (usually).
He was probably being a little cheeky by saying to increase overtaking he should start cars in reverse order...
Apparently, the FW26 will be much faster in Hungary because they've solved some of the problems with being abrasive on the tyres while increasing downforce even more.
He was probably being a little cheeky by saying to increase overtaking he should start cars in reverse order...
Apparently, the FW26 will be much faster in Hungary because they've solved some of the problems with being abrasive on the tyres while increasing downforce even more.
g force
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Well I hope so - I've never been a massive Williams fan but I don't like to see them struggling as they are.
Is Ralf still out for this one? there's been rumours of a return but I really wouldn't like to see the guy get back in a car too soon in case he does some serious damage to himself.
The best way to improve the spectacle is to ban all driver aids full stop, the problem is enforcement. Traction control makes F1 cars like driving an aracde game - I want to see people drifting! Brakes would be difficult given the advancements made I think some people would argue it woudl be dangerous to do anything radical to the brakes - maybe make them smaller?
I think reverse order wouldn't work because it would take away from one of the greatest aspects of the sport - the fight for pole. Perhaps they could work on some sort of ballast system as in the BTCC where if you win a couple of races you get weight put on.
Is Ralf still out for this one? there's been rumours of a return but I really wouldn't like to see the guy get back in a car too soon in case he does some serious damage to himself.
The best way to improve the spectacle is to ban all driver aids full stop, the problem is enforcement. Traction control makes F1 cars like driving an aracde game - I want to see people drifting! Brakes would be difficult given the advancements made I think some people would argue it woudl be dangerous to do anything radical to the brakes - maybe make them smaller?
I think reverse order wouldn't work because it would take away from one of the greatest aspects of the sport - the fight for pole. Perhaps they could work on some sort of ballast system as in the BTCC where if you win a couple of races you get weight put on.
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How about a manual gearbox and slicks?
Now that would sort the men from the boys!
Now that would sort the men from the boys!
damaged goods said:
Slicks would make it even easier for everyone, they'd have more grip and the racing would arguably become more dangerous as the cornering speeds would increase by a fair amount. The amount of rubber on the grooved tyres compared to slicks is about 17% less I think.
As for manual gearboxes - it'll never happen...Formula 1 is more than just a challenge for drivers, it's also about the people who make the cars and all.
