1972 - The worst year in music? It has to be ...

[butchersapron]

You're talking about wordy people though especially with the fucking dolls. Music for people who like to talk about music. Songs and shit that expresses stuff with style. MC5 and Stooges are another story of course.

I'd say they were both well aware of style - they all knew their history. For some of them that's all they had.

 

[southside]

I think 1972 was a great year and I like Genesis so fucking what? who gives a shit?

It does not matter. It's all a bit childish in a my dads bigger than your dad shit kind of way, get a fookin life.

 

[Fozzie Bear]

Also, if you want pretentious (in an amazing way) Sun Ra's "Space Is The Place" was recorded in 1972 (released 1973).

It is the year that keeps on giving!

 

[articul8]

By the late 1960s, many rock bands had begun incorporating instruments from classical and Eastern music, as well as experimenting with improvisation and lengthier compositions. East of Eden, for example, used Eastern harmonics and instruments such as a sumerian saxophone on the album Mercator Projected in 1969.[12] Some, such as the UK's Soft Machine, began to experiment with blends of rock and jazz. By the end of the decade, other bands, such as Deep Purple and The Nice, had also recorded classical-influenced albums with full orchestras: Concerto for Group and Orchestra and Five Bridges. This use of classical music would crystallise in the '70s with Amon Düül II's orchestral score on Made in Germany (1975), Pink Floyd's Atom Heart Mother (1970), and several works of Frank Zappa.
Early bands

Bands formed by the end of the 1960s included The Moody Blues (1964), Pink Floyd (1965), Soft Machine (1966), Barclay James Harvest (1966), Gong (1967), Genesis (1967), Jethro Tull (1967), The Nice (1967), Procol Harum (1967), The United States of America (1967), Van der Graaf Generator (1967), Yes (1968), Rush (1968), Caravan (1968), King Crimson (1969), Supertramp (1969), and Gentle Giant (1969).[13]
Although many of these bands were from the UK, the genre was growing popular elsewhere in continental Europe. Triumvirat led Germany's significant progressive rock movement, while Tangerine Dream, Faust, Can and Neu! led the related Berlin School and Krautrock movements. Italian progressive rock is an important sub-genre led by PFM, Le Orme, and Banco, all of which gained significant international recognition. Other notable Italian bands include New Trolls, Area, Goblin, Museo Rosenbach, Il Balletto di Bronzo, Maxophone and Locanda Delle Fate.
Focus and Trace formed in the Netherlands, France produced Ange, Gong, and Magma, the Quebec-based Harmonium were one of the first significant North American progressive bands, and Greece saw the debut of Aphrodite's Child led by electronic music pioneer Vangelis. Spain produced numerous prog groups, including Triana. Scandinavia was represented by Norwegian band Popol Vuh, Swedish band Kaipa, and Finnish band Wigwam

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wigwam_(progressive_rock)

Shows how mixed and open the early prog/kraut scene was - bands like Floyd, Yes, and Genesis hadn't mutated in their horrific later forms, but existed alongside more interesting bands like Soft Machine, Caravan and Gong, who were themselves not a million miles from the early Kraut scene.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wigwam_(progressive_rock)

 

[butchersapron]

Is that wikipedia? Why no say not say so?

Enjoy your read.

 

[articul8]

Of course it is, that's why I told you even wiki knows more numbskull

 

[Knotted]

I'm just fooling with you. The New York Dolls can't hold my attention and that's my problem really. When it comes down to it my favourite thing is rock that just rocks. Little Richard, Bo Diddly but also the Velvets, the Stooges, early Pere Ubu, the Plastic People, Can, The Fall etc. I just like that futuristic rhythm. I occasionally listen to something I consider to be clever but that's usually Stockhausen or Messiaen or something. I can't be doing with wordy cleverness.

 

[articul8]

literary prog was awful - all bleedin dungeons and dragons shit Topographic Oceans my arse.

 

[butchersapron]

Of course it is, that's why I told you even wiki knows more numbskull

That's why?

 

[butchersapron]

literary prog was awful - all bleedin dungeons and dragons shit Topographic Oceans my arse.

A babe in arms this morning now brother#1

 

[articul8]

What now? You have a linear-historicist reading of prog which reduces it to a particular moment of its decomposition. Is that wanky enough for you ?

 

[butchersapron]

What now? You have a linear-historicist reading of prog which reduces it to a particular moment of its decomposition. Is that wanky enough for you ?

You don't know enough. Is that straight enough?

 

[articul8]

A babe in arms this morning now brother#1

I didn't grow up with my Dad's Camel LPs without learning a thing or two

 

[Knotted]

a8 that wiki article is shite.

 

[articul8]

You don't know enough. Is that straight enough?

I know that prog got worse and narrower over time.

 

[butchersapron]

I didn't grow up with my Dad's Camel LPs without learning a thing or two

You didn't have to. My dad got old shit. I don't make wanky justifications for it. I see if it's worth anything and flog it behind his back.

 

[rutabowa]

arguments like this are why i hate old music.

 

[butchersapron]

arguments like this are why i hate old music.

More fool you. You face of modern late 30s obsessed with one era of music freak

 

[articul8]

a8 that wiki article is shite.

I wasn't holding it up as any gospel (I wouldn't say Zappa was anything like prog for example) just saying that it reflected a more open version of where prog came from and was in its early years than Butchers is willing to admit.

 

[rutabowa]

More fool you. You face of modern late 30s obsessed with one era of music freak

read back over this tomorrow and try and explain what you meant.

 

[butchersapron]

I wasn't holding it up as any gospel (I wouldn't say Zappa was anything like prog for example) just saying that it reflected a more open version of where prog came from and was in its early years than Butchers is willing to admit.

No historian he.

 

[articul8]

what you're saying is the musical equivalent of Stalinism was the inevitable consequence of the Russian revolution.

 

[Knotted]

Also, if you want pretentious (in an amazing way) Sun Ra's "Space Is The Place" was recorded in 1972 (released 1973).

It is the year that keeps on giving!

I love Sun Ra. Weirdly I had a dream last night about people on Urban discussing Space is the Place. Maybe that was just wishful thinking. But anyway there was a big argument about which Space is the Place album we were talking about - was it the soundtrack to the film or just SitP? I think butchers resolved it. Good old butchers. And anyway I had to point out that the best Sun Ra album is Magic City. What the fucks wrong with me?

And Sun Ra isn't pretentious. Sun Ra didn't just pretend to be nuts. Towards the end of his life he was recovering in hospital after a stroke and they started asking him question like how many fingures am I holding up and what is your name and where were you born. It startled them to find out that he was from Saturn and had never been born in the first place. He lived a fantasy.

 

[butchersapron]

read back over this tomorrow and try and explain what you meant.

I'll do it now. You're obsessed with a form of music produced in a limited time. You are both ignorant of that music and have to take a pose that you don't like it (the narcissism of small differences). Your attempts to reproduce are... unsuccessful.

 

[articul8]

move along, nothing to see here

 

[Orang Utan]

you think that's me? wrong!

You cannot read very well if you think that

 

[butchersapron]

you think that's me? wrong!

I'm not even talking to you. I'm talking to the person i quoted. Y0u are the opposite. You feel you must love all music. LIberal waft.

 

[articul8]

shit - thought I'd got away with that

 

[Fozzie Bear]

I love Sun Ra. Weirdly I had a dream last night about people on Urban discussing Space is the Place. Maybe that was just wishful thinking. But anyway there was a big argument about which Space is the Place album we were talking about - was it the soundtrack to the film or just SitP? I think butchers resolved it. Good old butchers. And anyway I had to point out that the best Sun Ra album is Magic City. What the fucks wrong with me?

You have willed this whole thread into existence.

Be careful tonight .

 

[Knotted]

I wasn't holding it up as any gospel (I wouldn't say Zappa was anything like prog for example) just saying that it reflected a more open version of where prog came from and was in its early years than Butchers is willing to admit.

You can have an open version. You can have a closed version. You can have a clopen version. I don't care. There is something generically different between krautrock and prog rock, and from the jazzier canterbury and prog rock. You can make that distinction. Especially if you want to reserve "prog rock" as pejorative. If you want to defend early Genesis you're not going to do it by pretending that it is a bit like Amon Duul 2 because it isn't - not even Wolf City.