Orang Utan
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Not all kids are clever though
16yr old boy shot dead in Stockwell
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PacificOcean
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Orang Utan said:
So why don't thick white kids join gangs?
PacificOcean
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Crispy said:
Again, why don't white kids from broken families join gangs?
PacificOcean
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Crispy said:Don't they?
Why are all the kids getting shot black?
Orang Utan
Psychick Worrier Ov Geyoor
They doPacificOcean said:
Orang Utan
Psychick Worrier Ov Geyoor
The odd white kid gets shot tooPacificOcean said:
I don't like what you're getting at here - are you saying only black people get shot or shoot, not because of poverty or lack of education, but merely becuase they are black?
PacificOcean
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Orang Utan said:The odd white kid gets shot too
I don't like what you're getting at here - are you saying only black people get shot or shoot, not because of poverty or lack of education, but merely becuase they are black?
No.
I am just saying that poverty and lack of education is a poor excuse for gang culture.
There are black and white kids who work there way up from nothing. I was one and I knew lots of others. Also, I knew black and white kids who wern't bright but didn't get involved in gangs.
I think it's more to to with the gansta bling culture being held as an ideal and not wanting to use hard graft to get there.
I still stand by my assersion that hip hop culture has a big hand in this.
.. and there I was holding my breath for a dis[sic]ection and instead I got your poor excuse for a response below.Citizen66 said:Yours, Bothered from Bognor Regis
I promise to disect your shite at a later moment though when the sun ceases to shine and there's nothing better to do.
Listening to a certain type of music doesn't mean it's your culture. A typical Wolof boy could listen to both Mbalax and Gangsta Rap but his own cultural music will obviously have more of an effect.Citizen66 said:
Yes, but the difference is that the boy in The Gambia probably also listens to Youssou N'Dour a very positive influence who is celebrated there more than in London.Citizen66 said:
Thank you for patronising.Citizen66 said:
The reason why you don't know is because you are uninformed. Do not take your ignorance to be the truth. Gambia is a majority Muslim country with high levels of illiteracy. Of course Sharia Law operates there.
I see you ignored the fact that I said:
Sharia law operates unofficially in many rural areas.
Or do you just not know what unofficially means?
For your Information Muslim Law definitely operates in the Gambia as this speech by their president last year proves:
If the text is too difficult for you to understand, allow me to copy and paste some of the more relevant bits
"The introduction of Muslim court one hundred years ago marked the beginning of an important milestone in judicial development in this country. This court which was created at the request of the elders of Banjul was mandated “to judge the affairs of Muslims connected with their marriages, succession, gifts, legacies and guardianship according to Muslim law”.
After 100 years of existence, it is essential to take stock of the Muslim Court system. ....In this 12th Anniversary of the 22nd July Revolution, we are proud to record visible developments in the Muslim Court system."
The fact that you lived there for so long and know so little suggests that you spent most of your time behind some European-centric gated community. Buying fish from the locals does not an expert make.Citizen66 said:
No, but that's a dumb analogy. Countries in West Africa are more alike than people realise. Certainly more so than in Eastern and Western Europe.Citizen66 said:
The artificial boundaries drawn up the the UK and France mean that you are quite likely to find more people of your own ethnic group in other countries than in your own. e.g. the Hausas should be a horizontal country in their own right and not split into 15 or 16 vertical units across ECOWAS. One reason why you're more likely to get civil wars than wars between countries.
If the fact that you have written 5,175 posts more than me is your claim to superiority, let me remind you that empty barrels make the most noise, and quantity does not mean quality. I'd rather have 1 meaningful post than 5,000 individual posts that are nothing but dross and ignorant posturing.Citizen66 said:
No, but the topic here, lest we forget is not Gambia but South London.Citizen66 said:
You are the one who brought up a flawed reference to Gambia, thinking there were enough similarities beween the two to draw a like for like comparison.
At least you're not that insulting when discussing European communities in the UK and Yugoslavia.
Regardless of what others say, this is not about me being more black or more African than you. Whether or not you think I really am an African woman or a sock puppet is your problem, not mine. I'm not going to have an identity crisis. This is about me having the luxury of having lived and work in both the UK and Nigeria as a full citizen, not a tourist, visitor or migrant. So I can compare and contrast the lives of similar groups of people in London, Lagos and yes even Accra and Banjul alot better than you can after your stint in the Gambia.
Anyway, I think we've strayed enough off this topic, feel free to private message me if you want to continue the discussion. I probably won't reply as you seem more interested in insulting people than adding anything useful to the debate.
You had absolutely no valid critique on what I said, calling it "shite" has fooled no one and it is very obvious that your response was more of wounded pride than a devastating riposte.
Blagsta
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Giles said:
Pretty difficult to be "financially responsible" (as you put it) when you're on a low wage. Personally I think employers should give full pay maternity pay for 12 months at least. Women should not be put in a situation where they are forced to return to work by economic circumstances and leave their baby in the care of strangers at 3 months.
Mind said:
Where have I stated that it's their 'culture'?
You don't need to put words into my mouth to form an argument you know. I said that boys living in Banjul probably aren't too dissimilar from boys the same age living in Peckham when it comes to music tastes.
I don't have the time right now to pick over the rest of what you've said as I've got limited net access at the moment but if it follows the lines of you inventing what it is that I've said then why the fuck bother?
I'll try at the weekend though, just for you
Mind said:
So you've contradicted yourself
On the one hand you say that wolof boys are different from other groups (mandingos?) and thyen you continue to say that west African countries are similar to each other
I'm aware that Gambians listen to music from the Senegal like Yousoou N'dour but that doesn't escape the fact that they will also listen to gangsta rap. I'm not making this up I am speaking from experience.
It's very difficult to debate with you as you're telling me things I already know and have moved off topic to my original points.
Your sad attempt to patronise me by quoting the president of the Gambia speaking about Sharia law in the country was in response to me saying I was not aware of it operating... I didn't dispute that it does.
You're new here and you're just wanting to metaphorically wave your cock about to get a name for yourself
Blagsta said:
The solutions may not be simple, but the stats generally show that when you have a concentration of single parents (I mean YOUNG single parents, not so much older people who are single due to divorce, separation) bringing up kids, especially boys, you reliably get a generation of out-of-control teenage lads, beyond the ability of their parents to tell them anything about how to behave.
Stir in low aspirations, a culture that says that achieving anything at (or even attending) school is shit, and admires uber-macho posing, the money to be made from drugs, and you have what we see now.
My first step to trying to solve this would have to be to legalise the drugs trade: this would take away the lure of relatively massive amounts of money to be made at a young age, and at the same time take away the reasons for many of the recent killings - although not all.
That and make having a kid on your own aged 16 a viable option....
Giles..
Mind said:
You're very welcome. Though I should warn you that, like you, I read much more than I post and because my post count is comparatively small those willy wavers that have been giving you a hard time will probably shout me down because their post count is bigger than mine. I think they believe that size really does matter.
Giles said:
By the way, I completely agree with you Giles.
Very few women are forced to get pregnant.
Contraception is free for all women in the UK as long as you get it from your GP.
While you may have little control over how much you earn, you do have a lot of control over when you choose to have kids and what sort of partner you want to have your kids with.
Maternity Pay is a complete red herring here and I disagree with the 12 month maternity pay solution Blagsta proposes:
This will benefit those who need it least e.g. married City Lawyers on £100k a year with wealthy partners,
Have no effect whatsoever on those who need it the most i.e low earning self-employed women and
Have a net negative effect on your typical Brixton woman in a low paid job at a hairdressing salon, where the profit margin is barely enough to keep the business going without having to pay a year's salary to someone who will not be coming into work.
More importantly, any 12 month Maternity Leave will end a good decade before your child becomes at real risk of descending into a life of crime.
Mr Retro
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Mind said:
By the way, I completely agree with you Giles.
Very few women are forced to get pregnant.
Contraception is free for all women in the UK as long as you get it from your GP.
While you may have little control over how much you earn, you do have a lot of control over when you choose to have kids and what sort of partner you want to have your kids with.
Maternity Pay is a complete red herring here and I disagree with the 12 month maternity pay solution Blagsta proposes:
This will benefit those who need it least e.g. married City Lawyers on £100k a year with wealthy partners,
Have no effect whatsoever on those who need it the most i.e low earning self-employed women and
Have a net negative effect on your typical Brixton woman in a low paid job at a hairdressing salon, where the profit margin is barely enough to keep the business going without having to pay a year's salary to someone who will not be coming into work.
More importantly, any 12 month Maternity Leave will end a good decade before your child becomes at real risk of descending into a life of crime.
I totally agree.
Blagsta
Minimum cage, maximum cage
Mind said:
By the way, I completely agree with you Giles.
Very few women are forced to get pregnant.
Contraception is free for all women in the UK as long as you get it from your GP.
While you may have little control over how much you earn, you do have a lot of control over when you choose to have kids and what sort of partner you want to have your kids with.
Maternity Pay is a complete red herring here and I disagree with the 12 month maternity pay solution Blagsta proposes:
This will benefit those who need it least e.g. married City Lawyers on £100k a year with wealthy partners,
Have no effect whatsoever on those who need it the most i.e low earning self-employed women and
Have a net negative effect on your typical Brixton woman in a low paid job at a hairdressing salon, where the profit margin is barely enough to keep the business going without having to pay a year's salary to someone who will not be coming into work.
More importantly, any 12 month Maternity Leave will end a good decade before your child becomes at real risk of descending into a life of crime.
So you think that forcing people to put their kids into nursery at 3 months is a good thing? Insecure babies become insecure teenagers.
brix said:You're very welcome. Though I should warn you that, like you, I read much more than I post and because my post count is comparatively small those willy wavers that have been giving you a hard time will probably shout me down because their post count is bigger than mine. I think they believe that size really does matter.
Get over yourselves
I suspect you two are probably pals on msn and we'll see a lot more of your mutual back-slapping around the forums from now on. Or you could spare us the double act.
Blagsta
Minimum cage, maximum cage
Mind said:
By the way, I completely agree with you Giles.
Very few women are forced to get pregnant.
Contraception is free for all women in the UK as long as you get it from your GP.
While you may have little control over how much you earn, you do have a lot of control over when you choose to have kids and what sort of partner you want to have your kids with.
Indeed, women are not forced to become pregnant. However, you're ignoring the psychological aspect to this. Becoming pregnant at a young age is a way of feeling useful, validated, giving your life some meaning, getting some love. Why do you thing the teenage pregnancy rate is higher in deprived areas? Improving education, giving young people's lives meaning is what is needed, it has nothing to do with access to contraception, or "control" over who you sleep with. These psychological processes are largerly unconscious.
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