16yr old boy shot dead in Stockwell

[editor]

We've got our very own 'Hot Spot' on Somerleyton Road too.

And what's the odds these fuckwits will continue their idiotic antics here now?

 

[Louloubelle]

The cops have just given a press conference. They described both the victim and the perpetrators as 'black'.

they said that the boy had been chased by several youths wearing bandanas and this suggested that the perpetrators might have been in a gang, (although he later said that it wasn't necessarily gang related).



Initial unconfirmed reports are that 2 guns were involved

 

[ringo]

A group of kids is not a gang. A gang implies a group organised to protect each other and/or their territory, be that an area, school or drug trade, or whatever. A group of kids is just a group of kids.
Labelling groups of kids as gangs is dangerous, they might start acting like they are when they were not before, and encourages Daily Mail style fear in the community of all kids. Most kids in Lambeth have got enough to worry about from the proper wronguns.

 

[PacificOcean]

A group of kids is not a gang. A gang implies a group organised to protect each other and/or their territory, be that an area, school or drug trade, or whatever. A group of kids is just a group of kids.
Labelling groups of kids as gangs is dangerous, they might start acting like they are when they were not before, and encourages Daily Mail style fear in the community of all kids. Most kids in Lambeth have got enough to worry about from the proper wronguns.

Aren't they trying to emulate real gangs though.

Aren't they all "crews"?

 

[ringo]

That suggests that all groups of kids hanging about together want to be in a gang. It's a huge generalisation of all bored teenagers and just isn't true.
I used to hang about with mates as a teenager, there wasn't anything else to do and we were skint. I didn't want to be in a gang. I'm sure many people on here were/are the same.

 

[Louloubelle]

That suggests that all groups of kids hanging about together want to be in a gang. It's a huge generalisation of all bored teenagers and just isn't true.
I used to hang about with mates as a teenager, there wasn't anything else to do and we were skint. I didn't want to be in a gang. I'm sure many people on here were/are the same.

I interviewed a few youth workers whose remit was to work with gangs and they all said that gangs were just groups of kids from the same estate or school who hung out together and who looked after each other's interests and backed each other up in the case that any were threatened.

They didn't like to use the word gang, but what the kids that they worked with were doing (having big fights and stabbing each other over territory and long running disputes) were the sort of things that most people understand that gangs do.

There are a few gangs where I live and you can tell them apart by how they dress and what they wear on their heads, even down to how they wear their hats. I'm no expert mind you, you just pick this stuff up when you live in the middle of it all.

eta

I agree with you that not all kids who hang about together are in gangs, but I was just noticing the reluctance of some people to use the G word even when it was obvious that kids were in what for all extents and purposes are gangs

 

[ATOMIC SUPLEX]

Holy shit, I used to live on Jefferys road and kids on bikes mugged and (sort of) knifed me near my home a few years ago. I lived in terror for ages.

 

[PacificOcean]

Stockwell has always been really rough.

Even when I was growing up in the 80's.

 

[Tricky Skills]

Stockwell has always been really rough.

Even when I was growing up in the 80's.

Twelve years in SW8 and crime free.

Pockets of Stockwell are shit. Pockets of Pimlico are shit.

It's not all hoodies, bandanas and bullets. Not seen a Joanna Lumley photofit on the news recently.

 

[PacificOcean]

Twelve years in SW8 and crime free.

Pockets of Stockwell are shit. Pockets of Pimlico are shit.

It's not all hoodies, bandanas and bullets. Not seen a Joanna Lumley photofit on the news recently.

Bollocks.

I didn't move into Stockwell. It was the area I grew up in from a baby.

And Stockwell has always been rough as arseholes.

 

[Tricky Skills]

Bollocks back, 'birth right' or not.

Priory Grove, Durand Gardens, Stockwell Park Crescent - I don't see many rough as arseholes walking around there.

 

[likesfish]

there a group of kids they have firearms there a gang ffs
or some cadet units gone completely feral

 

[Irenick]

I spotted a couple of decidedly dodgy types whilst passing through Durand Gardens on my way to the Horizons pool yesterday.

 

[Giles]

Stockwell has always been really rough.

Even when I was growing up in the 80's.

Lots of areas have always been seen as "rough".

But "rough" used to mean "maybe get robbed", don't wander around on your own at night, a few fights and shit, it didn't used to mean 16 year olds shooting each other dead every fortnight.

What has happened so far this year is fucking scary.

Giles..

 

[dynamicbaddog]

What has happened so far this year is fucking scary.

Giles..

well scary , just 2 days before this incident there was huge fight between 2 groups of kids on the Old Kent Road which left a 15 year old lying in a pool of blood
and it's only one week into the school holidays.....

 

[editor]

Looks like they got the cowardly cunt responsible for the murder:

Man remanded over boy's gun death
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/6920301.stm

He's 20 years old.

 

[Giles]

Looks like they got the cowardly cunt responsible for the murder:

Man remanded over boy's gun death
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/6920301.stm

He's 20 years old.

God, now that he's sitting in a police cell staring at the f***ing wall, I hope he thinks it was worth it.

Can't let some little c**t diss me, can't let some..... bang bang, sorted him out, no-one will mess with me no more, oh what's this, 20 years in prison? FFS.

Giles..

 

[Gingerman]

well scary , just 2 days before this incident there was huge fight between 2 groups of kids on the Old Kent Road which left a 15 year old lying in a pool of blood
and it's only one week into the school holidays.....

Was this outside the Fire Station? Noticed one of those yellow police boards saying that a youth was badly assualted,on my way home from work last week.

 

[ShiftyBagLady]

I spotted a couple of decidedly dodgy types whilst passing through Durand Gardens on my way to the Horizons pool yesterday.

somebody was mugged by a couple of schoolboys in broad daylight on hackford road a while ago, i saw them running off and when i got ot the top of the road i found out hed had his jewellery and phone snatched opposite a building site, not one of them or any passers by intervened

ps is that gym/pool any good? im thinking of joining

 

[Hoss]

This is all very depressing.

Why, why, why are kids toting guns? Back in the day, you got into a dispute with another kid from another school/estate/area and you sorted it out mano a mano with the vague but unlikely threat of others joining in and it was over with no serious casualties and a mutual respect for any one that held their own. It was all knowing nods after school and nothing else beyond that.
I always wanted to start a family and raise my kids in the city I grew up in and love...now I'm really not so sure.

RIP and my condolences to the family.

 

[muckypup]

This is all very depressing.

Why, why, why are kids toting guns?

Frustrated, angry, disillusioned, unhappy and quite probably in mental anguish.

Why do they feel this way ? Perhaps, and I'm speculating here, something about the socio political nature of modernity leads people to feelings of such intense despair and anger. Both of which are opposite sides of the same coin.

Also, pretty much the same reason why people descend into serious drug abuse.

 

[Citizen66]

I watched that Ross Kemp on gangs (lol ) and the black community all seem to equally believe that the blame for the current situation lies firmly with the government.

I don't know how to feel about that really, I haven't thought about it too much. I can understand that they may feel that having the streets awash with guns and crack cocaine is a modern way to keep the black man in his place but isn't it also to deflect the blame from their own short-comings as to where they've gone wrong as a community? Does the blame lie solely with the government, after all, they set the constraints and conditions for these circumastances to arise and are ultimately responsible for policing etc...

As another poster mentioned earlier it's a self-perpetuating cycle and the sad fact is that kids actually feel safer to be in a gang than not in one.

 

[Giles]

Any talk of blaming anyone else for this behaviour pisses me off. You are what you do. And if what you do is take up guns and crack dealing, then you are scum, simple as.

People choose to follow a certain lifestyle because they want to.

They like the power of being able to intimidate others with their gangs and the ever-present threat of serious violence.

They like "ruling" their estate, and watching the "ordinary people" fear them, and they like the feeling of being able to behave outrageously, knowing that no-one will dare to challenge them for fear of what they will do.

"Frustrated, angry, disillusioned, unhappy and quite probably in mental anguish."??? Why? They aren't that badly off, really.

Why don't they just go and do something better? Go to a rave and do some Es would probably be an improvement......

They've got the whole of London on their fucking doorsteps, there's no need to spend all your time hanging around in some shithole, robbing people and then killing some kid from the next estate for some imagined "diss".

Giles..

 

[Giles]

I watched that Ross Kemp on gangs (lol ) and the black community all seem to equally believe that the blame for the current situation lies firmly with the government.

I don't know how to feel about that really, I haven't thought about it too much. I can understand that they may feel that having the streets awash with guns and crack cocaine is a modern way to keep the black man in his place but isn't it also to deflect the blame from their own short-comings as to where they've gone wrong as a community? Does the blame lie solely with the government, after all, they set the constraints and conditions for these circumastances to arise and are ultimately responsible for policing etc...

As another poster mentioned earlier it's a self-perpetuating cycle and the sad fact is that kids actually feel safer to be in a gang than not in one.

This "its all a government plot to do down black people" is the biggest load of bollocks I have ever heard. Does crack not work on white people, then? Or Asians, or Chinese?

Giles..

 

[ViolentPanda]

I spotted a couple of decidedly dodgy types whilst passing through Durand Gardens on my way to the Horizons pool yesterday.

Were they wearing black clothing and strange headgear?

 

[Citizen66]

This "its all a government plot to do down black people" is the biggest load of bollocks I have ever heard. Does crack not work on white people, then? Or Asians, or Chinese?

Giles..

Is the amount of white people tooled up and smoking the crack pipes proportionate to the amount of blacks doing so in terms of demographics in the UK?

Are as many proportion of population of blacks in the Gambia on the crack as there is in Lambeth?

Stop being a simplistic muppet Giles. Thanks.

 

[Bob]

Giles - maybe a different way of looking at it is this.

Would the government be more active on the issue if these shootings were happening in the suburbs where the swing voters who decide elections live?

My answer - clearly yes.

And there's a lot that can be relatively easily done to take more guns out of circulation such as better enforcement of the borders (e.g. gun sniffer dogs at borders), more police targeting of vehicles tagged at high risk of having a gun in them and most of all simply getting more outreach to the teenagers who are victims of gun crime to get them to inform more. None of this is very expensive but it costs some money that councils find hard to afford - or are not allowed to do.

 

[PacificOcean]

Is the amount of white people tooled up and smoking the crack pipes proportionate to the amount of blacks doing so in terms of demographics in the UK?

Statistics show muggers in London are more likely to be black.

What's your point?

 

[PacificOcean]

Giles - maybe a different way of looking at it is this.

Would the government be more active on the issue if these shootings were happening in the suburbs where the swing voters who decide elections live?

My answer - clearly yes.

And there's a lot that can be relatively easily done to take more guns out of circulation such as better enforcement of the borders (e.g. gun sniffer dogs at borders), more police targeting of vehicles tagged at high risk of having a gun in them and most of all simply getting more outreach to the teenagers who are victims of gun crime to get them to inform more. None of this is very expensive but it costs some money that councils find hard to afford - or are not allowed to do.

Is Operation Trident not paid for by the Government?

 

[Citizen66]

Statistics show muggers in London are more likely to be black.

What's your point?

Statistics show that the percentage of young men incarcerated in this country are disproportionately black.

What do you think my point is?