Yes or No -AV referendum May 2011
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love detective
there's no love too small
i'd be interested in hearing the reasons for defining the IWCA as localist
Over 15 years or so swathes of prescient analysis about our society has been produced by the IWCA - from critiques of multiculturalism, political vaccums, predictions of the rise of the BNP etc.. all of which have subsquently proved right by material events - even though at the time such a stance on things like multiculturalism were used to brand the IWCA as racist (or the predictions about the rise of the BNP seen as daft at a time when for about 7 years it looked like they were going nowwhere)... however now that critique has been generally accepted as being a correct one. Is this social analysis/critique localist? Is the research into Economic Democracy localist? Is the publishing of a book covering 3 decades of militant anti-fascism throghout the UK localist? Is regularly (well not that regularly, but in relative terms) getting asked to particpate in telly & radio programmes on issues that the IWCA are active in localist? Can you find one article on our website which could be defined as localist?
Being active in a local community and being localist are not the same thing
Over 15 years or so swathes of prescient analysis about our society has been produced by the IWCA - from critiques of multiculturalism, political vaccums, predictions of the rise of the BNP etc.. all of which have subsquently proved right by material events - even though at the time such a stance on things like multiculturalism were used to brand the IWCA as racist (or the predictions about the rise of the BNP seen as daft at a time when for about 7 years it looked like they were going nowwhere)... however now that critique has been generally accepted as being a correct one. Is this social analysis/critique localist? Is the research into Economic Democracy localist? Is the publishing of a book covering 3 decades of militant anti-fascism throghout the UK localist? Is regularly (well not that regularly, but in relative terms) getting asked to particpate in telly & radio programmes on issues that the IWCA are active in localist? Can you find one article on our website which could be defined as localist?
Being active in a local community and being localist are not the same thing
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
Terribly sorry for using the wrong word. I'll send myself to a re-education camp immediately.
articul8
Dishonest sociopath
The NO2AV camp really screams out the future of democracy!:
As President of the NO to AV campaign:
- Rt Hon Margaret Beckett MP
As Labour Patrons:
- Rt Hon David Blunkett MP
- Rt Hon Lord Falconer QC
- Rt Hon Lord Prescott
- Rt Hon Lord Reid
- Emily Thornberry MP
As Conservative Patrons:
- Rt Hon Ken Clarke QC MP
- Rt Hon Michael Gove MP
- Rt Hon William Hague MP
- Steve Norris
- Rt Hon Baroness Warsi
As President of the NO to AV campaign:
- Rt Hon Margaret Beckett MP
As Labour Patrons:
- Rt Hon David Blunkett MP
- Rt Hon Lord Falconer QC
- Rt Hon Lord Prescott
- Rt Hon Lord Reid
- Emily Thornberry MP
As Conservative Patrons:
- Rt Hon Ken Clarke QC MP
- Rt Hon Michael Gove MP
- Rt Hon William Hague MP
- Steve Norris
- Rt Hon Baroness Warsi
We've been through this before, you tit.
You still seem to be labouring under the bizarre belief that people I disagree with in other circumstances being in the same camp on this occasion will somehow put me off.
This is stupid, because:
a) It won't. I make my decisions based on what I think is right, not what other people are doing.
b) If it *did* make a difference then I *definitely* wouldn't be wanting to align myself with Nick Clegg.
This is stupid, because:
a) It won't. I make my decisions based on what I think is right, not what other people are doing.
b) If it *did* make a difference then I *definitely* wouldn't be wanting to align myself with Nick Clegg.
Streathamite
ideological dogmatist
huh? In what way? I'd say the only barrel being scraped is yours, with the frankly desperate argument of 'look at all these nasty people voting against, surely you don't want to be on the same side as them'.'
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Streathamite
ideological dogmatist
becuase no-one should take being libelled lying down
articul8
Dishonest sociopath
Innit, he's the perfect illustration of why AV aint gonna happen
We'll see about that...
Streathamite
ideological dogmatist
well, yeah, lets not start peering at the tealeaves just yet...
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Innit, he's the perfect illustration of why AV aint gonna happen
Another example - Ben Bradshaw is leading the Labour Yes to AV campiagn - here's part of an interview with him:
You don't get their logic, it makes sense to side up with vested Tory interests becuase it punishes the Lib Dems for joining up with vested Tory interests
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Whose heading up the Yes vote - why it's the Tory religious nut John Bartleby. Please, do play this game - you won't win.
John Bartleby is not even on the Yes to Fairer votes board
* Chair: Katie Ghose (Chief Executive, Electoral Reform Society)
* Pam Giddy (Chair, Take Back Parliament)
* Neal Lawson (Chair, Compass)
* Vicky Seddon (Chair, Unlock Democracy)
* John Sharkey (Liberal Democrats)
Matthew Elliot is leading the NO2AV campaign, from the Tax Payers Alliance, Dylan Sharpe is doing press from Tax Payers Alliance.
nino_savatte
No pasaran!
Oh? Bartleby has just appeared on BBC News bigging up AV.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
articul8
Dishonest sociopath
People with a religious faith aren't a sizeable section of the electorate?
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
What's that got to do with anything? Tories and labour voters aren't a sizeable section of the electorate?
articul8
Dishonest sociopath
Hilariously inept BNP style approach on the yes blog - check out the use of veterans
and everyone hates war vets...you seem to be under the impression that the election will be turn on the mass ranks of armchair anarchists
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
You're getting more desperate and angry as the truth of the political reality starts to dawn...
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
FPTP now has a 10% lead btw, up 3% from the last one. Don't know the exact figures yet - whether rise in support for FPTP or drop in AV (FPTP version #2).
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