Yes or No -AV referendum May 2011
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articul8
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You think a small change in the voting system is enought to save Clegg and the LDs? That's how on the ball you are
butchersapron
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Fantastic line from a8's OP:
butchersapron
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Who said it it would save them? It'll give them some glue that they wouldn't have otherwise - and it'll be the leadership, the most pro-cuts group who are using it.
butchersapron
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Do re-read the start of this thread - very interesting.
butchersapron
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i.e this post for starters
to be honest, a referendum isn't really needed on AV - it's best explained as a modification of how FPTP works ie. it doesn't need any fundamental shake-up in terms of boundary changes (the Tories are adding that in to gerrymander the system for their own benefit).
That's no doubt why Clegg called it a "miserable little reform" when Brown suggested it
I haven't been here for years but a quick glance through to posts and the fact that you guys think that is bloody obvious. I've tried to explain that to articulat8 in the previous post above - don't know what it is but him and moon23 seem to miss the bloody obvious...
One question though, do you really think the Lib Dems are worse than Labour? Seriously? Labour were the party that 1 year or so ago were outsourcing torture, trying to force us to carry ID cards, purposely letting the super rich not pay tax (the non-dom status wasn't a loophole, they did it one purpose). Labour first introduced tuition fees because they wanted to 'create a market' in education and the last Tory government didn't have the balls to do it themselves, Labour followed George Bush into Iraq... The list goes on and on. OK, I'll never vote Lib Dem again, but what's seeing the slimy little fuckers wiped of the electoral map ever gonna do for you? Because they're the same aren't they? Not any worse?
I think you don't really believe that and are therefore lying to people... But I might be wrong though, and you have my sincere apologies if I am wrong.
SpineyNorman
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I doubt many people here would argue that Labour are any different, they might have cut a bit slower but that's it. In an ideal world we'd see all three mainstream parties wiped off the map. But it's not going to happen to Labour or the Tories. It's possible, if not inevitable, that the Lib Dems will be and so we can at least get rid of one of them. In fact, the only one on this thread who I can recall arguing Labour were any different is the one arguing FOR a yes vote.
SpineyNorman
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I agree, sorry, that was a reply to Bear, not you. I should have quoted him/her really.
In fact I'm not even sure that Clegg is as bad as Labour, I can't see Clegg out sourcing torture or keeping his mouth shut whilst an American president was busy authorising the CIA to do it.
When you actually look at the evil the Labour Party have inflicted, cutting a bit slower is pretty minor as a saving grace.
When you actually look at the evil the Labour Party have inflicted, cutting a bit slower is pretty minor as a saving grace.
SpineyNorman
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I think you're being very naive there.
frogwoman
No amount of cajolery...
Then you obviously don't have a very good imagination.
Wolveryeti
Detty Pig
The red bar at the bottom of each round is the losing party. You then see how their second preference votes were allocated by looking at which parties gained % in the next round
butchersapron
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Do you? Did you?
butchersapron
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Do you have a point?
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Did they really think nobody would notice? What a fucking rabble.
Steel Icarus
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Can you not? Wow.
did they change Honor Blackman's name as well?
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butchersapron
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Do you know whose decision this was articul8?
articul8
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No I don't - but I think it is clumsy rather than pernicious - a judgement than Zephaniah would be a more familiar name to communities in London than elsewhere, rather than a conscious decision to drop him for other areas. eg. Ken Livingstone is going on the Labour Yes leaflets in London but not elsewhere.
Given that out of 5 speakers at yesterday's national launch there was one black man and two asian women makes the idea we want to run an all white campaign more than a little silly.
Given that out of 5 speakers at yesterday's national launch there was one black man and two asian women makes the idea we want to run an all white campaign more than a little silly.
butchersapron
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Aah, nice Tony Robinson - a more damning thing you'd have to search long and hard for.
Stephen Fry, Eddie Izzard, Colin Firth, Tony Robinson, Laurie Penny - why not go the whole hog and have Brian Cox, Louis Theroux and Adam Curtis and hire a big fucking boat and have a nice liberal pluralist sensible party?
Stephen Fry, Eddie Izzard, Colin Firth, Tony Robinson, Laurie Penny - why not go the whole hog and have Brian Cox, Louis Theroux and Adam Curtis and hire a big fucking boat and have a nice liberal pluralist sensible party?
articul8
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Yes - that is still my position. But a No vote won't stop the cuts if fact it will make it more likely that the coalition is followed by a Tory majority government that can entrech them.
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