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Wrexham and Shropshire: the best railway company in the UK?

That's a shame. Why? I would have thought it would be a listed structure or something.

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You've ruined the surprise now.
 
Look, I'm sorry if I've embarrassed you but I really am genuinely surprised at your lack of geographical knowledge of the country you live in. Especially as Wrexham is just a few miles from Shrewsbury and you seemingly spend time there
 
Look, I'm sorry if I've embarrassed you but I really am genuinely surprised at your lack of geographical knowledge of the country you live in. Especially as Wrexham is just a few miles from Shrewsbury and you seemingly spend time there

I'm not embarrassed. I just don't understand why you're so taken aback. You don't pass through Wrexham to get to Shrewsbury from London unless things have gone very much awry.

Do you know more of me than your join date would suggest? For all you know I might be from Siberia and landed 6 months ago.

As far as I was concerned Wrexham was in Wales. Not that there is any particular reason why I would know that. I wasn't taught English or Welsh geography at school, and my learning of English and Welsh geography since then has been either incidental or on a need to know basis. Nor do i have any friends from there.

I am from a town over twice the size of of Wrexham, yet 50% of the people here, when I tell ask me where it is. That's a lot of people to be surprised at regarding their lack of knowledge...
 
It is isn't it.

Forgive me from assuming from your proficiency in English and your travels to various towns and cities around Britain that you come from here. Clearly this was silly of me.

I take an interest in where places are. I find it helps me understand the UK

You have my apology, you are welcome to test me on the whereabouts of other medium sized British towns if it makes you happy :)
 
It is isn't it.

Forgive me from assuming from your proficiency in English and your travels to various towns and cities around Britain that you come from here. Clearly this was silly of me.

I take an interest in where places are. I find it helps me understand the UK

You have my apology, you are welcome to test me on the whereabouts of other medium sized British towns if it makes you happy :)

People tend to learn more about things they are more interested in and less about things they are less interested in.

I may quiz you tomorrow. Now it's time for bed. I was going to be in bed by 1am.





I'm always going to be in bed by 1am.

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We've just been up to Chirk (nr Wrexham) and back using the new Wrexham and Shropshire railway company and the service was fantastic.

The fare was £28 each return, we had a lovely train on the way up with - get this - friendly table service of freshly prepared and cooked food. Loads of locally sourced food was available including absolutely delicious Welsh cakes from Llangollen.

On the way back things got even better with the first class carriage being opened up to standard class travellers, and really tasty meals being served to our table on china plates. The service was friendly and the food high quality, all at a cut down price.

Bravo Wrexham and Shropshire!

They are indeed superb - by far the best service on any railway I have ever been on.

pH said:
I wonder how long companies like that might last though, either before going bust or being bought up by one of the bigger players (e.g., Hull Trains being bought by First iirc) Limited number of routes, services etc. doesn't seem to be a brilliant business plan, but I may be wrong. I hope I'm wrong, it's nice to see that service like this still exists

They are owned by the same people who run Chiltern Railways (and who used to run Hull Trains). Virgin are also attempting to get in on the act (despite trying to kill them off before they had started by invoking protectionist clauses on their WCML contract) by running one or two trains a day from Wrexham to London (albeit via Chester and Crewe). Lets hope the Bearded One falls flat on his face.

Agent Sparrow said:
The big drag factor is 4 hours between trains in the daytime if they're cancelled.

OK, I'll stop moaning about it! I just wanted to have a meal in the restaurant cart.

It depends where you end up when the train breaks. Ironically enough, the last time I used W+S this happened to me - the train went out of service with defective brakes at Shrewsbury. We hung around for about an hour while the staff sorted us out alternate travel from there to London (via Birmingham New Street, then a short walk to Moor Street (which was a wonderful discovery in itself) where a Chiltern train took us to Marylebone). The total journey time from Wrexham to London ended up at about six and a half hours, which was a bit mad but you couldnt really fault the staff because they were so unbelievably helpful throughout, and compared to the six hours I spent standing between Euston and Chester (after the Hatfield crash) it was like a nice holiday.

They (W+S) also gave me my money back for that journey to London and gave me a complimentary one back to Wrexham as well (admittedly I had gone first class).
 
So's Retford.

Tell me where that is without looking.


South Nottinghamshire, had to change there on Sunday on my way back from Edinburgh.. Bloody National Express at least GNER as was had traditional livery, nation express livery is some ghastly grey colour..
 
Bloody National Express at least GNER as was had traditional livery, nation express livery is some ghastly grey colour..

The new NXEC livery is truly hideous, last time I went on that line some of the trains were still in GNER colours with just "National Express" vinyls at the bottom of the coaches which looked pretty decent, the repainted grey ones manage to look like they're desperately in need of a paint job or at the very least a bloody good clean already whereas the ones in GNER paint presumably must have been painted 7/8 years ago.

Back on topic, this is more like what a train should look like, Rail Blue coaches FTW :cool:

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Nipsla and memespring had a two course meal for (I think) £12 each. Ours was a tenner each. Not cheap, but well, well worth it (the fare was fuck all and we were travelling in a first class carriage with in-seat service and eating off china plates!

£12.50 but worth every penny. The staff were lovely, the food was lovely and the seats were very comfy. Their customer service is also ace - I had to call to change my ticket and I got through to an actual human being and when I emailed through my old ticket reference I got an email back within 5 minutes to say it had been refunded. All round win :cool:
 
Unfortunatey, the old locos and InterCity carriages are just an interim solution while they get their own rolling stock (probably some horrible cramped DMU :()
 
Actually, strike that. Looks like they're refurbishing some older coaches, so it'll be old-school all the way :cool: - ready by the end of november, with a 30 minute speed-up of the timetable too.
 
The box is safe .....in fact some extra tracks are likley to be commissioned to use some more levers !

And those Welshcakes on WSMR are excellent :D
 
Unfortunatey, the old locos and InterCity carriages are just an interim solution while they get their own rolling stock (probably some horrible cramped DMU :()

You've already corrected yourself on the coaches. But actually the locos they are using and will continue to use are quite new.
 
So they are! Don't look it :D
Surely you can recognise that they're not old the old locos that pulled the 125 trains?!

Thank fuck they haven't "modernised" the 125 coaches like the GWR and put in ghastly 'airplane' style seating throughout so that everyone's racked up in cramped rows with no tables.
 
They just looked like bog-standard deisel locos straight out of the 70s/80s. I guess I'm so used to seeing multiple-unit commuter trains with fibreglass curvy bits all over the place, I just assumed a big heavy square-edged thing like that was yesterday's locomotive!

Also, they are 'modernising' the mk3 carriages.

http://www.wrexhamandshropshire.co.uk/standard-class-accommodation.php

but with a nearly all-table layout, aligned with the windows :)
 
They just looked like bog-standard deisel locos straight out of the 70s/80s. I guess I'm so used to seeing multiple-unit commuter trains with fibreglass curvy bits all over the place, I just assumed a big heavy square-edged thing like that was yesterday's locomotive!

Also, they are 'modernising' the mk3 carriages.

http://www.wrexhamandshropshire.co.uk/standard-class-accommodation.php

but with a nearly all-table layout, aligned with the windows :)

ie. like they were when they were first built.

And if you are looking at the picture further up the thread, that's not the loco anyway, it's an unpowered driving trailer displaced from the west coast line and probably does date from the 80s.

There is kind of no such thing as a diesel passenger loco out of the 70s or 80s because hardly any were built. Until recently most of those in operation were built in the 60s.
 
I have no shame

and yes I did know the pic upthread was just the driver's cab :)
 
I had no idea that W&S ran such potty little trains! I assume the DVT isn't passenger accommodation, so that's 3 carriages, one of which is partly buffet, isn't it?

I'm very impressed if they can make it pay on such small services - it offers a bit of hope for the whole railway concept.
 
Locos are class 67's - built in Spain around 1998.

Designed for fast passenger and mail traffics.Royal Mail cut back drastically on rail use so they are "spare"
 
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