Would you report people to the police for for breaking the conditions of the Covid 19 lockdown

[Athos]

He said he wouldn't "set them on his worst enemy," not that he wouldn't take steps to stop a rape, tbf - I think a lot of the coronavirus-related police callouts will be not from genuine concern for public health, but because curtain-twitchers have decided that people they don't like have breached guidelines.

I'd understood him to mean he wouldn't set them on his worst enemy in any situation, which would include the rape scenario.

 

[JimW]

They can do a dot map of parties but a bit of contact tracing is too much to ask.

 

[planetgeli]

I'd understood him to mean he would set them on his wrists enemy in any situation, which would include the tape scenario.

Gobbledegook. You been drinking hun?

 

[Athos]

Gobbledegook. You been drinking hun?

Sorry, edited.

 

[Wilf]

Not responding to anyone in particular, cos I'm only half way through the thread: I can see some role for 'enforcement' if there are large gatherings, commercial events, obvious examples of risky behaviour. I'd probably prefer 'interventions' to enforcement, talking to people, actually trying to get them to change their behaviour. In some cases this is genuinely about education. An example: a family member was in a queue to get in a supermarket a week ago and a couple stood right behind her. She pointed out the 2 metre thing and they had genuinely not heard about it. Odd but true.

My point though is that more low key interventions, conversations, the opposite of the Derbyshire cops, should come in a different context. The government's own advice on social distancing is very uninspiring as an actual campaign. It's pretty much 'don't do that'. Whilst people shouldn't be doing 'that', it doesn't feel like a strategy or something they are trying to work through communities. Ironic given their supposed expertise in behavioural 'nudges'. In the end, the government don't believe in community and don't know how communities work.

 

[frogwoman]

I totally get the dilemmas with people who live in cities tbh but round here it's just middle class entitlement frankly. Half my neighbours are just carrying on as normal. The other day the people who live opposite had people come into their house while two old blokes stood by having a chat. The previous day they had a delivery of plants and the guy was just handing them to them hand to hand with no PPE or anything. No I'm not going to grass them up but I'm pretty angry about it tbh. The other day my neighbour rang up my mum asking her to go tesco for a specific type of luxury bird seed ffs.

 

[frogwoman]

And one other thing. I've not seen a policeman round here since well before this all started. The one time we did have loads of cops here was last year when a group of travellers tried to park their caravans up. They turned up VERY fucking quickly then.

 

[frogwoman]

And don't get me started on the twat fishing on a section of pavement just over 1 metre wide next to a busy road, where fishing is illegal anyway. He blatantly wasn't fishing for food. Meanwhile my sister, who has cops stood outside her house ffs and scumbag employers still making her go to work.

 

[krtek a houby]

Fuck no.
People are nobbers but I won't be calling the cops about this.

Cops and nobbers

 

[krtek a houby]

Wishing ill on those you don't agree with is not very enlightened, is it?

Welcome to urban.

 

[klang]

I could create a new dot on that map right now just by calling in.

can you call me in a nice dot-to-dot puzzle?

 

[The39thStep]

the map shows the location of reported breaches, again. not the number of actual gathering.

Thats a fair point but that is excatly how normally anti social behaviour and other types of 'crime' incidents are mapped tbh.

 

[The39thStep]

I could create a new dot on that map right now just by calling in.

GMP and Councils also do maps of repeat callers/complainants , some are genuine but many have either well being or mental health problems.

 

[andysays]

I laughed at that. But I've seen this a lot. Coppers are doing this more than anyone. They should just furlough the lot of them.

The police were called to the park where I'm based for work yesterday to deal with some infraction or other. I think they arrested one person who was drunk and took them away in handcuffs.

But to deal with this situation it was apparently felt necessary to send two minibus loads of police, each with six or eight of them along for the ride.

They're supposed to be enforcing social distancing but are utterly failing to observe it themselves.

At this rate, they will all be off sick with Covid19 by the end of April, if not sooner

 

[killer b]

Thats a fair point but that is excatly how normally anti social behaviour and other types of 'crime' incidents are mapped tbh.

I'm sure, but that data isn't used in the same way as this is being. Not quite the same way anyway.

 

[ruedas]

Depends doesn't it?

Depends on what the disagreement is about.

No

 

[Teaboy]

No

Yes it does.

 

[ruedas]

How am I wishing ill on anybody? I said the opposite, but you take it however you want to take it, mate.

I don't claim to be enlightened either.

How am I wishing ill on anybody? I said the opposite, but you take it however you want to take it, mate.

I don't claim to be enlightened either.

Whatever, only you know what is inside your head

 

[ruedas]

Yes it does.

To be clear then, you say that if the disagreement is about something, that obviously you will define as you are the rule maker, then it is OK for a person to wish ill upon another? To wish them "robbed, beaten up, raped..."? Maybe you even think it is OK for the ill wisher to carry out these actions or "arrange" them?

 

[ruedas]

Welcome to urban.

Thanks

 

[Teaboy]

To be clear then, you say that if the disagreement is about something, that obviously you will define as you are the rule maker, then it is OK for a person to wish ill upon another? To wish them "robbed, beaten up, raped..."? Maybe you even think it is OK for the ill wisher to carry out these actions or "arrange" them?

Not really sure what you're on about here but to take it back to the start you said

Wishing ill on those you don't agree with is not very enlightened, is it?

Which was a very general comment. I disagreed with your sentiment but don't wish ill on you because of it.

To take things to an extreme (as that seems to be where you want to go) there are people out there who have done some terrible things, terrible crimes who think their actions were OK. In that regard I would disagree with them and if their actions were beyond the pale I would likely hope they get there comeuppance. If I was having an intense debate with someone as to where you draw the line in taxonomy between what constitutes a duck and what constitutes a goose I probably wouldn't wish ill on that person even though we disagreed.

It depends, you see.

 

[Detroit City]

No I would not report them. And i would hope that they don''t report me!

 

[treelover]

It's just don't go out, stay put for a month for the sake of the health of the nation.

The problem highlighted by people thinking their walk is ok is that everyone thinks they are somehow excluded from and above the restrictions. It can be someone going for a walk in the woods or it can be someone going out to get ice cream because it's a bit hot and they think that is essential to them.

I think the government guidelines are woolly and allow for too much personal interpretation - if anything has been proven here it is that people are happy to clap for the NHS whilst putting people at risk by being unclear what constitutes an essential shopping trip. Photos from woodland walks that our rural brethren are taking daily just muddy the issue further.

Jogging should be banned, lots of huffing, spittle as they hurtle past, real sense of entitlement with many as well.

 

[Teaboy]

Everything should be banned.

 

[treelover]

I get that it attracts wrong uns and the corrupt too. I’ve also actually learnt from urban about the role the police play in terms of (for want of a better phrase) the structural oppression of poverty and maintaining the power with the ruling class. But to be blind to the actual reality of the polices social role and dismissive of them as ‘scum’ is just naive.

a close relative is a special and is going in the main force, he isn't on any kind of powertrip, etc, and uses his powers with discretion aand compassion(most of the time he is like a social worker), not fined anyone yet, but, most of us know that in the right circumstances, they will use force against anyone they don't think is doing what they should, and of course when the protests begin in the aftermath, I think they will this time, they will do what they are told and act accordingly.

 

[Spymaster]

To be clear then, you say that if the disagreement is about something, that obviously you will define as you are the rule maker, then it is OK for a person to wish ill upon another? To wish them "robbed, beaten up, raped..."? Maybe you even think it is OK for the ill wisher to carry out these actions or "arrange" them?

Read his post properly, ya fucking tool. He’s said nothing of the sort.

 

[treelover]

Talk about seeing things I can't imagine, well if you'd seen the things I've seen you'd hate coppers too. From outright hate crimes to the wall of silence you get from the entire fucking lot of them when people try and seek recourse.

Just yesterday I saw four of them bowl up in a fucking riot van just to move on one homeless woman. Not to get her any support, not to check on her welfare, just to get her to fuck off somewhere else. That's what they do for the most vulnerable in society, kick them when they're down. Or just ignore them altogether, as they did for all those girls in Rochdale and Telford.

Actually they don't, my relative spent most of his shift trying to find accomodation for the homeless he encountered.

 

[Griff]

To be clear then, you say that if the disagreement is about something, that obviously you will define as you are the rule maker, then it is OK for a person to wish ill upon another? To wish them "robbed, beaten up, raped..."? Maybe you even think it is OK for the ill wisher to carry out these actions or "arrange" them?

Good grief, what is wrong with you?

Talk about twisting words!

Why don't you read it again, S-L-O-W-L-Y.

 

[SpookyFrank]

Jogging should be banned, lots of huffing, spittle as they hurtle past, real sense of entitlement with many as well.

People are entitled to go jogging.

 

[Saul Goodman]

Wishing ill on those you don't agree with is not very enlightened, is it?

That didn't happen. You just made it up for attention purposes.