Will you vote for independence?

[Quartz]

You obviously don't have them just a few miles up the road from you or watch the convoys carrying warheads going past the end of your street.

Actually, I used to live not far from Aldermaston.

 

[danny la rouge]

I think Scotland is foolish to be so anti-nuclear, but that's for another thread.

Thankfully yours is a minority opinion, even of No voters.

 

[Frankie Jack]

Actually, I used to live not far from Aldermaston.

And yet you think we should keep nukes.

 

[gosub]

I grew up not that far from Aldermaston /Aldershot /Farnborough. knowing I'd be vaporised in the first second of world war 3 was a comfort to me growing up. Didn't know my dad had well formulated plans of borrowing a plane and taking us south of the equator. Last thing I'd want to do is 'survive'

 

[danny la rouge]

Last thing I'd want to do is 'survive'

I think we can arrange for your wishes to be respected.

 

[gosub]

I think we can arrange for your wishes to be respected.

You've only been an ally of 'the forces of darkness' for under a week and already you're arranging nuclear armeggedon

 

[danny la rouge]

For Quartz

 

[Quartz]

Hahahaha!

Those who don't have nukes can still be nuked. And are defenceless against nuclear blackmail.

 

[butchersapron]

Hahahaha!

Those who don't have nukes can still be nuked. And are defenceless against nuclear blackmail.

The only people getting nuked are those with nukes.

 

[Quartz]

The only people getting nuked are those with nukes.

The inhabitants of Hiroshima and Nagasaki would beg to differ.

 

[butchersapron]

The inhabitants of Hiroshima and Nagasaki would beg to differ.

No they wouldn't.

 

[weepiper]

Foreign diplomats believe a Yes vote is 'likely'

 

[Quartz]

Foreign diplomats believe a Yes vote is 'likely'

The way the No camp have been campaigning it's pretty much a foregone conclusion.

 

[butchersapron]

The way the No camp have been campaigning it's pretty much a foregone conclusion.

What does that mean? That they can campiagn because they have? How does them being happy mean they can camapaign?

 

[frogwoman]

The pro-UK Better Together campaign and Scottish Labour argue privately that since their main campaigns against independence have not yet started, the latest opinion polls only reflect a temporary public mood.
http://www.theguardian.com/politics...-likely-choose-independence-foreign-diplomats

 

[charliechalk]

Independence is going to happen as the no campaign is so out of touch with the people of Scotland, in itself a demonstration of the need for independence.

 

[DexterTCN]

The pro-UK Better Together campaign and Scottish Labour argue privately that since their main campaigns against independence have not yet started, the latest opinion polls only reflect a temporary public mood.
http://www.theguardian.com/politics...-likely-choose-independence-foreign-diplomats

Their main campaigns haven't started, eh?

 

[danny la rouge]

They've finally jumped the shark!

New Better Together strand, NHS Together.

"[...]our NHS benefits from being part of the bigger UK".

Oh, you fucking think so, do you? We'll ask the rest of the UK, shall we? Or these people, for example?

Vote for the Union. The NHS is safe with us.

 

[danny la rouge]

Tory minister, David Mundell admits SNP would never do a deal to keep Trident.

A UK Government minister has conceded there is "no deal to be done" over Trident and the UK's nuclear deterrent would be expelled from Scotland in the event of independence.

Negotiations on the issue are a non-starter because the SNP could never contemplate a compromise, according to Scotland Office minister David Mundell.

http://www.heraldscotland.com/polit...-minister-insists-no-deal-on-trident.23939636

TheHoodedClaw

 

[geminisnake]

About fucking time they finally see a point!

 

[Quartz]

I really don't see what the problem is. An independent Scotland means that Trident is the problem of the rUK, not Scotland. I'm sure there are MPs in Cornwall and Devon and Barrow quietly preparing to press the case for Trident to be based in their constituencies and salivating over the jobs that would come their way. Similarly you can expect work on the new aircraft carriers to be moved to the rUK.

 

[DexterTCN]

 

[ska invita]

I really don't see what the problem is. An independent Scotland means that Trident is the problem of the rUK, not Scotland. I'm sure there are MPs in Cornwall and Devon and Barrow quietly preparing to press the case for Trident to be based in their constituencies and salivating over the jobs that would come their way. Similarly you can expect work on the new aircraft carriers to be moved to the rUK.

Mps maybe, constituents won't want it in their back yards

 

[Quartz]

Mps maybe, constituents won't want it in their back yards

I think we're going to have to agree to disagree on the nuclear issue.

 

[weepiper]

Long article in the FT today

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/2/90acb1a8-c04a-11e3-bfbc-00144feabdc0.html#slide12

 

[charliechalk]

Typical hit piece nonsense and fundamental misunderstanding of the issues.

 

[Quartz]

I wonder if their characterisation of the "Don't Knows" is flawed? I wonder if many are like me: deliberately undecided? That is, they have decided to not decide until much later.

 

[charliechalk]

Why have you decided that? Have you considered selling your vote? Hypothetically speaking I could PayPal you 20 quid for a picture of your x in the yes box on the 18th

 

[Quartz]

Why have you decided that?

Because I know that I don't yet know enough. This vote will be the most important vote I will have cast to date and I want to be sure. This thread has been educational.

ETA: And if my questioning makes me seem like a Unionist or Little-Englander or whatever, then that's a cross I'll bear lightly.

Have you considered selling your vote? Hypothetically speaking I could PayPal you 20 quid for a picture of your x in the yes box on the 18th

I'm sure that would be illegal, immoral, and fattening.

 

[charliechalk]

Would it still be immoral for 25?