butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Which regs exactly?
Will you vote for independence?
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-26455655
http://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/LexUriServ.do?uri=CELEX:31995L0026:EN:HTML
our company lost a similar sort of thing in aviation in ICAO around a similar time.
That debt figure came from typing average personal debt Scotland into google . debt support trust outline of link that is top ranking for me. Would include mortguages i would guess, as the UK average is £59,000, their aren't enough mad bank managers to dish out unsecured loans at that rate
http://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/LexUriServ.do?uri=CELEX:31995L0026:EN:HTML
our company lost a similar sort of thing in aviation in ICAO around a similar time.
That debt figure came from typing average personal debt Scotland into google . debt support trust outline of link that is top ranking for me. Would include mortguages i would guess, as the UK average is £59,000, their aren't enough mad bank managers to dish out unsecured loans at that rate
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danny la rouge
More like *fanny* la rouge!
It might be the mean personal debt, but I doubt it's the mode. As you say, it probably includes mortgages, too.
However, my bank is Santander. It offers me loans. Often good rates, too. And its home currency is the euro while mine is Sterling. Oh noes.
This is a non story about a non subject by people who are dazzled by the fancy wrapper on the trinkets. Ooh, it says Scotland on the tin. That Must Be Important.
However, my bank is Santander. It offers me loans. Often good rates, too. And its home currency is the euro while mine is Sterling. Oh noes.
This is a non story about a non subject by people who are dazzled by the fancy wrapper on the trinkets. Ooh, it says Scotland on the tin. That Must Be Important.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
So their head office would have to be in the country they did their bulk of business in (a law as yet untested) - which is not the same thing as them having to sack everyone in Scotland and move everything lock stock and barrel to england.
danny la rouge
More like *fanny* la rouge!
You've lost me. What have Dave & Co got to do with a) reality, in this discussion b) whether Scotland would be in the EU, c) the effect of the registered office of a bank being in a different country to the branch you use?
danny la rouge
More like *fanny* la rouge!
Are you at the fridge magnet poetry again, Dave? It's a bit 70s. Where do you keep the Brit?
danny la rouge
More like *fanny* la rouge!
I think it will be a high turnout.
I truly hope so. It's the most important vote anyone living in Scotland will ever make.
danny la rouge
More like *fanny* la rouge!
Have you met anyone who doesn't have something to say about it? I think it's the most-discussed issue I've ever encountered.
weepiper
I fix the machines that fight climate change
We've just got a staff forum at work and in the email from the manager giving us a log-in and a password he says
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
(The good of doping in cycling? How can there be any debate on that?!)
weepiper
I fix the machines that fight climate change
a trolling topic if ever I saw one.
Tbf, there are a few who did ok out of it....
danny la rouge
More like *fanny* la rouge!
Say what you will about drugs and cycling, I happen to know that it's very difficult!
Plenty of people. Possibly because I have a strong English accent (pretty much RP).
danny la rouge
More like *fanny* la rouge!
I've not found that to be a barrier myself. Many of those who offer me a view on the referendum have English accents.
Indeed Mrs La Rouge has an English accent (on account of being English). She tells me many people wish to discuss the referendum with her.
Does anyone worry as I do that elections are probably as likely to be rigged here as they are on say Florida or Afghanistan Kiev or the Crimea or anywhere else for that matter. Is Scottish independence about the people or is it about what the ruling classes want. Does it really matter what the people think if there is no "real Democratic process"?
Just a thought. Worth thinking about though eh?
Just a thought. Worth thinking about though eh?
No. We have a civil service that is still largely professional and politically independent. And the independence vote will be the most heavily scrutinised in Scotland's history.
Is that the same civil service that was involved with that Libyan chap who was accused of blowing up a certain airliner over Lockerbie? Is he dead yet?
To what extent has this impeccable civil service that's just a tired hangover of the old Scottish Office been involved in investigating the Holly Greig Scandal? Most irregular all that eh?
This civil service let me down recently by refusing to investigate the huge misappropriation of public funds in the west of Scotland in a social housing project. I'm sure this issue can be extrapolated out to numerous money pits around the nation making private companies rich with public money.
I like that fall song about the civil servant? Do you?
Everybody knows the civil service in Britain is full of very dodgy people. I'm particularly fond of those at the dole. Well aren't we all, those that know their bum hole from their elbow anyway.
Why would you want to defend them? Are you well informed about something everyone else is unaware of or are you connected with them in some way? Or are you just unusually positive about that which is clearly questionable?
I'm sorry to disagree with you but my experience of the civil service is a bad one. TBF though about twenty years ago the tax lot weren't too bad. Now they are dreadful.
So do you think Scottish civil servants are immune from doing as their masters dictate?
I think it's a bit naive to think that Scotland has any autonomy right now or that it ever will have, to any real extent.
Ask the Irish after their bail out, who is pulling the strings over in Dublin these days.
Things are always as they want us to see them. The establishment control the full spectrum of the audio visual and printed media as well as the press. There are no independent journalists. People are tortured by the UK Government, murdered, they go missing etc. Britain is a pawn used by America on the international game board isn't it? Where does Scottish independence fit into that? Oh dear I feel another trump coming on. Excuse me please!
Do you honestly think if they can wage illegal wars that they give a monkeys what the people think. Good god! They tell the people what to think.
I don't think I'll bother voting in Britain ever again. It's a total farce. You only have to consider Thatchers length of office to see that.
geminisnake
a complex mass of conflicting ideas
I have concerns about an honest vote count tbh. I hope that it will be accurate and honest, and I believe that it will become very well scrutinised as Quartz writes, if people aren't happy. They moved the goalposts in 79, I'm not sure they would get away with that again. I bloody hope not 
I will continue to vote but only because I have an alternative to the three Tory parties.
And yes Megrahi died in 2012. I didn't believe he did it at the time, and I still don't.
I will continue to vote but only because I have an alternative to the three Tory parties.
And yes Megrahi died in 2012. I didn't believe he did it at the time, and I still don't.
TheHoodedClaw
acknowledging ur soup leg
Peter, is that you?
I have concerns about an honest vote count tbh. I hope that it will be accurate and honest, and I believe that it will become very well scrutinised as Quartz writes, if people aren't happy. They moved the goalposts in 79, I'm not sure they would get away with that again. I bloody hope not
I will continue to vote but only because I have an alternative to the three Tory parties.
And yes Megrahi died in 2012. I didn't believe he did it at the time, and I still don't.
As far as Megrahi is concerned doesn't that just illustrate how Scotland will just do as it's told on a wider world stage? How will an Independant Scotland be manipulated?
There are no alternatives to Tory all parties need to follow the right wing orders of their corporate masters. If you see an alternative in the SNP I would like to learn more about that? Socialism is dead in the UK as are the options of any third way. The peoples creativity to organise themselves and make expectations of the establishment in the absence of any true democratic representation is all the hope that is left. Mass demonstration and industrial action would be a good start.
For all it professes to be a conglomerate party composed of an eclectic mix of the left right and centre ground, any contact I've had with it suggests that the SNP is an over officious right wing organisation that is power thirsty. Dictatorial and didactic, failing in its responsibility to scrutinise anything beyond the central belt or anything that doesn't fit into its short term I'll conceived race towards independence. They don't want Independence for our benefit, they want it for their benefit. They aren't the noble statesmen of old. Acting out of patriotism for a nation that they serve. They are just mobsters.
You will end up with a puppet government whatever the outcome. Policy will be driven by the same forces that drive them now and nothing will change. Independent or not, Westminster will always seek to have its way with Scotland and I don't think independence will change this in any way. Whether it's right or wrong those with the greater power will have their way and they will write the history books.
The supposed democratic "West" is at the whim of its Central banks, American foreign policy and the strength of the Dollar. Westminster dilly dallies between alignment between Brussels and Washington. Why would an independent Scotland be any different? What clout will it have? What all important GDP figure will it achieve to make it a successful financial player? How much time will it spend quarrelling
with Westminster over the use of highland regiments in England's military commitment in the Middle East etc etc. Gods teeth imagine the shenanigans and scandals and cover ups that will go on in the constancy back biting between Edinburgh and Westminster! Dear god it's bad enough as it is.
Alex Salmond and his cronies will be subject to the same market forces as the UK is now. An Independent Scotland has no different a hand at the poker table than it does now. The power dreams of the SNP will drag a nation into problem after problem and Westminster will watch like a vulture waiting for any pickings.
The romance of the brave heart mentality will do Scotland no favours you can't call that story a victory any more than Llewelyn ap Gruffudds stand against the English. Or Britains dismal failure at Dunkirk!
Heads on spikes at traitors gate. That's all that came from all that.
If people in Britain including Scotland want a new way then they have to demand it as a unified nation all Britons together with a common purpose. Separatism and fragmentation of the british people will only make it easier for the corporate and banking classes to carve up the joint as they see fit.
Sadly Scotland missed its chance for independence as Wales did hundreds of years ago. All this devolution stuff is just a distraction from real issues.
Like the Sun with its dangerous dog and alien encounter/ celebrity stories and discovery channel with snake eating shark week etc. It's just soma for the masses. There are great wrongs happening in the real world that require our attention! Wake up and feel the piss running down your neck! It is not raining!
geminisnake
a complex mass of conflicting ideas
Do you live in Scotland? How is free prescriptions, free healthcare, bus passes for over 60s and free higher education right wing? There are other parties out there, all over the UK that are not right wing. Ok they maybe need more support but they are out there. I suggest you look for them.
You have some very strange ideas but you are entitled to your own opinion. I suggest you read the whole thread(there's loads of links to relevant info) and look at google if you want to learn about the SNP. While you're at it it might be worth looking up Plaid Cymru, who are also very right wing, not!
Frankie Jack
Not a bloke..
Aren't you forgetting the oil, the whisky, the shipbuilding, the farming, the fishing, the mining... ?
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