Will you vote for independence?
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danny la rouge
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Not really. The powers that the Scottish Parliament were going to have were not yet defined, and it could be argued never really have been. The Constitutional Convention's blueprint was not just cut and pasted into the White Paper, "Scotland's Parliament". Where the Convention's blueprint had started from the Claim of Right, the White Paper did the reverse: it listed the powers reserved for Westminster, rather than specify what powers the Scottish Parliament would have.
I remember two campaigns - a Yes Yes campaign, and a No No campaign. Despite the other option being Yes No, I remember no such campaign. Indeed, you'll remember that the campaigns were somewhat muted anyway, due to the death and funeral of Princess Di.
Once the Yes Yes verdict had been delivered in Sept 1997, the White Paper was then superseded by the Bill which became the Scotland Act. It had significant differences to the White Paper, and not just in prose style. For example, the Act and the White Paper differ significantly on the relationship between Holyrood and the EU. In some ways the act strengthened Holyrood, but you could justly say that the finished product was not seen by the public prior to their voting.
While I do not personally support Devo Max, I think it is capable of being sufficiently succinctly defined prior to an autumn 2014 vote; the idea of full fiscal autonomy is perfectly understandable. However, despite the grandees who continue to support it, there is now no major party willing to put their campaigning power behind the idea. It is perfectly possible that Salmond suspected that would happen. He may well have hoped the public would feel they aren't being given the option to vote for "Calman Plus" or anything like it, and that this may push them to support independence.
Agreed, especially as I've never made such a claim.
ChocolateTeapot
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of course not - apart from yesterday posting "I visited the Shetlands once, a few years ago. They didn't really seem to like being part of Scotland."
That's a far cry from saying that I know all about how people there feel.
butchersapron
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No it's not, it's that exact claim.
danny la rouge
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A new poll today show 51% support for independence. http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/298664/Poll-Now-51-back-independence
That's the first one I've ever seen with a majority for; the previous high water mark had been 40% or thereabouts. My guess is that this is a direct result of Cameron's intervention in trying to say when the referendum should be, and the other parties closing down whether Devo Max should be on the paper.
That's the first one I've ever seen with a majority for; the previous high water mark had been 40% or thereabouts. My guess is that this is a direct result of Cameron's intervention in trying to say when the referendum should be, and the other parties closing down whether Devo Max should be on the paper.
danny la rouge
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You beat me.
I think it's a reputable poll, btw, Weeps. They were one of the companies that got the AV referendum right: http://www.angus-reid.com/polls/439...t-past-the-post-system-for-general-elections/
weepiper
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I don't know, only 180 respondents were actually in Scotland. However I have to say among people I know the 'I'd vote yes' camp is hardening vs the 'I don't know' camp.
danny la rouge
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Ah. I missed that. Hadn't read the article fully, only heard it on the radio where they said it was 2,019 people. I see now the article says:
Fair enough. Treat with caution.
weepiper
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the question is the exact wording that Salmond has said he's going to use.
danny la rouge
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The question isn't flawed, it's the one that Salmond wants on the ballot paper. The sample of 180 is too small, though.
bi0boy
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Really? I'm sure he won't get away with it.
danny la rouge
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What would be better?
"Do you want total separation from England and all your friends and family there?"
butchersapron
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39% def saying no at this point - the very height of the counter-productive effect of Cameron's intervention - to me suggests a very large strong and committed no vote that has the power to win over both DKs and those who are saying yes right now due to Cameron.
danny la rouge
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The devolution referendum questions were:
- I agree that there should be a Scottish Parliament.
I do not agree that there should be a Scottish Parliament.
I think we'll end up with something like that.
weepiper
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It's a uk-wide poll. I want to see a poll of 2000-odd people living in Scotland asked.
danny la rouge
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That's a good point. I don't think the unionist vote should be underestimated. Independence has never gone more than about 40%; anything above that has to be soft.
bi0boy
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Exactly, bit different from this shitty poll which asked "Do you agree that Scotland should be an independent country? Yes/No"
danny la rouge
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It isn't a "shitty" poll, it's a poll testing the question Salmond wants asked. Where it is deficient is in only including 180 people living in Scotland.
weepiper
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I don't see it as being any different to the wording of the devolution referendum actually. 'I agree that there should be a Scottish Parliament' vs 'Do you agree that there should be a Scottish Parliament?'.
geminisnake
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Useless poll statistic yet again!
Fedayn
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That's just the rest of the Ewing family joining up....
danny la rouge
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Superdupastupor
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I know that don't get any seats up here but isn't the Con's share of the popular vote some 15~20% in Scotland?
And if that vote can be relied on to come out for constituency races that they know they are not going to win then I'd say thats a pretty steadfast bloc for the "no" camp.
that's my insight
And if that vote can be relied on to come out for constituency races that they know they are not going to win then I'd say thats a pretty steadfast bloc for the "no" camp.
that's my insight
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