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Will you vote for independence?

Scottish independence?

  • Yes please

    Votes: 99 56.6%
  • No thanks

    Votes: 57 32.6%
  • Dont know yet

    Votes: 17 9.7%

  • Total voters
    175
ta for that very detailed response danny. Not sure if you want me to reply or if you're just happy for it to be left as commentary on the piece (or if you want it forwarded to the Henwood email list?) - i can sense your exasperation at many points throughout the above.
 
ta for that very detailed response danny. Not sure if you want me to reply or if you're just happy for it to be left as commentary on the piece (or if you want it forwarded to the Henwood email list?) - i can sense your exasperation at many points throughout the above.
No, I wasn't expecting a reply from you; I realise you posted the link as a service to the thread rather than because you necessarily endorse the points raised in the podcast.
 
Scottish Greens conference today

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Better turnout than the Lib Dems the other week.
 
Not popped into this thread for a bit. What's the opinion North of the border in terms of confidence about getting Westminster to honour their promises?
 
its simple really, if they were happy to offer devo max they would have done in 2012 (when the reff was called irc?). It would have been on the ballot paper. It was pure last minute barefaced lies. Just today on the radio its been 'these vows were not parliamentary blah blah'. lies
 
Haahaha...you bottled it....tied behind the apron strings...Enjoy.

I'd have voted Indy but the rest of the union didn't have a vote.
 
Not popped into this thread for a bit. What's the opinion North of the border in terms of confidence about getting Westminster to honour their promises?


<sound of hollow laughter>

Snowflake's chance in hell. That sort of thing.
 
Not popped into this thread for a bit. What's the opinion North of the border in terms of confidence about getting Westminster to honour their promises?
Like Pogo says, neither Yes nor No voters are abating their breath.

It's interesting that this question of "accepting the result" is still being raised by the No side. You may remember that it surfaced here on this thread prior to the vote. It turns out that what it means is not "you should concede that you didn't win", but rather, "you should change your opinions now: stop thinking independence worthwhile; stop criticizing the way the Vow is progressing; become a good Unionist convert". Whenever Yes figures point out the backtracking, (on devo more, on the NHS turning out not to be safe with the Union after all, and so on) newspaper columnists, Labour apparatchiks, self-appointed social media legends, cue up to say: "get over it; you lost". This seems to imply the pledges didn't count. Power has been retained by Westminster, and Westminster can do as it pleases, no matter what it may have promised when it had the referendum's gun to its head. "Accept the result" seems to mean "shut the fuck up".

That Brown had to plead for a petition to "pressure" Cameron to keep his Vow shows exactly what authority Brown had to make his promise of "close to federalism": less than none.

I was at a party on Friday at the house of a couple of No voting friends. They were telling me that they thought that this cycle of broken promises and fulfilled doom prophesies would lead, bit by bit, to independence anyway. This, they opined, was a good thing, and better than the clean break we could have had. I am perplexed by such a view, and note only that they voted Lib Dem in 2010.
 
If the promises are not kept then it's perfectly reasonable to consider the result of the vote null and void.
 
If the promises are not kept then it's perfectly reasonable to consider the result of the vote null and void.
The House of Commons yesterday debated devo more. Attendance was poor. Alastair Darling, leader of Better Together, was absent, as were all the signatories of the Vow, Cameron, Clegg and Miliband.

What conclusion should we draw?
 
The House of Commons yesterday debated devo more. Attendance was poor. Alastair Darling, leader of Better Together, was absent, as were all the signatories of the Vow, Cameron, Clegg and Miliband.

What conclusion should we draw?

What conclusion did they draw?
 
It goes without saying that I despise the No leadership. But what of the misogynist bigots who apparently do no wrong, who happen to be on the Yes side?

Discuss:

 
politicians of all stripes letting their stupid inner thoughts (that sound good to them) out online, sigh
 
It goes without saying that I despise the No leadership. But what of the misogynist bigots who apparently do no wrong, who happen to be on the Yes side?

Discuss:







is that the same 'wings over scotland' run by the bloke who lives further south of hadrians than me (and I'm on the arse of Anglia). The one who raised a ton of money of which he was sole distributor and holder? That bloke? Whose previous internets habits was game reviews?
 
is that the same 'wings over scotland' run by the bloke who lives further south of hadrians than me (and I'm on the arse of Anglia). The one who raised a ton of money of which he was sole distributor and holder? That bloke? Whose previous internets habits was game reviews?
That's the one. (Although none of that bothers me, he can live where he wants, and he was quite open that the crowd funding would pay his wages).

What bothers me is his misogyny, his homophobia and his victim blaming over Hillsborough.
 
That's the one. (Although none of that bothers me, he can live where he wants, and he was quite open that the crowd funding would pay his wages).

What bothers me is his misogyny, his homophobia and his victim blaming over Hillsborough.


who needs enemas eh

got the first two from that tweet alone, but the hillsborough stuff, blerg. What is it with these multi spectrum hatreds some people hold
 
It goes without saying that I despise the No leadership. But what of the misogynist bigots who apparently do no wrong, who happen to be on the Yes side?

Discuss:



Wings is a dickhead. Scratch a liberal, find a libertarian. Deeply unpleasant wee man with a group of fanatical followers very much in the Sheridan mould.



Ha... hahaha... no really, that's hilarious, tell me another, go on :)
 
You have to admire his faith in the legal system at least. Or pity his terrible naivety. Or something.
 
Wings is a dickhead. Scratch a liberal, find a libertarian. Deeply unpleasant wee man with a group of fanatical followers very much in the Sheridan mould.
Indeed.

I'm sorry that Tommy was given any credence during the campaign; he's used his undeniable oratorical prowess as a base upon which to re-erect a reputation. That he has done so without admitting any fault of his own and still insisting that the fault lay with those he dragged into his stupid attempt to save his own ego, and whose reputations he attempted to traduce in the process, is pathetic and somewhat ironic. The vile abuse that Rosie Kane and Carolyn Leckie have had heaped on them for saying they were staying away from the Tommy rally - much of it openly misogynist - says much about his admirers. And what it says isn't good.
 
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