Will you vote for independence?

[DairyQueen]

 

[DairyQueen]

YouGov has gone from -16 to +1 in a matter of days. trying to mobilise the no vote?

 

[two sheds]

Wonderful how there seem to be loads of offers on concessions that will be made to Scotland if there's a No vote that will be conveniently be forgotten if the vote goes against. You'd want any promises to be made in writing with actionable penalty clauses and witnessed by a great number of people.

 

[The Boy]

YouGov has gone from -16 to +1 in a matter of days. trying to mobilise the no vote?

Not sure if I've misread you - and apologies if so - but are you suggesting that YouGov are doctoring their figures in an attempt to influence the outcome of the election?

 

[TheHoodedClaw]

YouGov has gone from -16 to +1 in a matter of days. trying to mobilise the no vote?

Even positive stuff is a conspiracy!

 

[DairyQueen]

Miliband's response: we'll put guards on the border. Fucking hell, what a cunt.

 

[Wilf]

Retweeted by Yes Scotland
Nicola Sturgeon ‏@NicolaSturgeon 2m
BREAKING: @SkyNews has just reported that tomorrow's Yougov poll in Sunday Times puts #Yes narrowly ahead

This smacks of desperation, might even push the yes vote up (really could go either way). Still think the final few days will see no going back into the lead but they are truly fucking it up.
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/sep/06/scots-radical-new-deal-save-the-union

 

[DairyQueen]

Wonderful how there seem to be loads of offers on concessions that will be made to Scotland if there's a No vote that will be conveniently be forgotten if the vote goes against. You'd want any promises to be made in writing with actionable penalty clauses and witnessed by a great number of people.

This is what I was meaning before. The no campaign responds with more fear and threats. This time involving placing armed men outside Berwick.

 

[DairyQueen]

This smacks of desperation, might even push the yes vote up (really could go either way). Still think the final few days will see no going back into the lead but they are truly fucking it up.
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/sep/06/scots-radical-new-deal-save-the-union

The plan, in the event of a no vote, is that people from all parts of Scottish society – rather than just politicians – would be invited to take part in a Scottish conference or convention that would decide on further large-scale transfers of power from London to Holyrood.

What a fucking joke. They are offering a chance to sit down with Jim Murphy and Douglas Alexander to 'discuss' Scotland's future?

 

[steeplejack]

This smacks of desperation, might even push the yes vote up (really could go either way). Still think the final few days will see no going back into the lead but they are truly fucking it up.
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/sep/06/scots-radical-new-deal-save-the-union

yep total fear and desperation.

Miliband shrieking about border controls, after a Yes vote, in the Mail on Sunday tomorrow, too. English politicians just don't grasp that such bluster will do little more than drive up the Yes vote here.

Here's some more detail on this poll from yougov...

 

[butchersapron]

Panelbase poll now released:

Yes: 44%
No: 48%
Undecided: 8%

Without undecideds:
Yes: 48%
No: 52%

 

[DairyQueen]

That's up from previously?

 

[butchersapron]

That's up from previously?

Correct - NO has gone up by 2%.

 

[DairyQueen]

No has gone up 2? No, it is unchanged. YES - 48% (DKs excluded)

 

[butchersapron]

The lead is unchanged, but both yes and no went up.

 

[danny la rouge]

Well, Better Together has spent 2 years telling us Panelbase is unreliable. And that YouGov are most accurate.

So...

 

[8ball]

Quick question - how is this being counted? Does one vote swing it?

As a Welsh person living in England it's quite interesting watching how things are moving at the moment.

 

[danny la rouge]

Quick question - how is this being counted? Does one vote swing it?

As a Welsh person living in England it's quite interesting watching how things are moving at the moment.

Yes, simple majority.

 

[Wilf]

Yes, simple majority.

Literally, that. I had an image of country wide recounts if it was close, but just checked:
http://www.heraldscotland.com/mobile/politics/referendum-news/referendum-recount-ruling.24533645
No recounts, however close, except for suspected procedural irregularities.

 

[Sue]

Literally, that. I had an image of country wide recounts if it was close, but just checked:
http://www.heraldscotland.com/mobile/politics/referendum-news/referendum-recount-ruling.24533645
No recounts, however close, except for suspected procedural irregularities.

We could have our own hanging chad moment.

 

[Wilf]

We could have our own hanging chad moment.

"The third arm of that cross ain't fully in the box - call the supreme court!"

 

[pogofish]

Interesting - it seems that a "senior cabinet minister" is going to be sent to Aberdeen on the fifteenth in order to rally support for the Union.

Wouldn't want the wrong sort of people to hear about that, would we?

 

[Frankie Jack]

Any clues to who it will be?

 

[Wilf]

Cameron MP
Deputy Prime Minister
Lord President of the CouncilThe Rt Hon. Nick Clegg MP
First Secretary of State
Leader of the House of CommonsThe Rt Hon. William Hague MP
Chancellor of the ExchequerThe Rt Hon. George Osborne MP
Secretary of State for the Home DepartmentThe Rt Hon. Theresa May MP
Secretary of State for Foreign and Commonwealth AffairsThe Rt Hon. Philip Hammond MP
Lord Chancellor
Secretary of State for JusticeThe Rt Hon. Chris Grayling MP
Secretary of State for DefenceThe Rt Hon. Michael Fallon MP
Secretary of State for Business, Innovation and Skills
President of the Board of TradeThe Rt Hon. Vince Cable MP
Secretary of State for Work and PensionsThe Rt Hon. Iain Duncan Smith MP
Secretary of State for HealthThe Rt Hon. Jeremy Hunt MP
Secretary of State for Communities and Local Government
Minister for FaithThe Rt Hon. Eric Pickles MP
Secretary of State for Education
Minister for Women and EqualitiesThe Rt Hon. Nicky Morgan MP
Secretary of State for International DevelopmentThe Rt Hon. Justine Greening MP
Secretary of State for Energy and Climate ChangeThe Rt Hon. Ed Davey MP
Secretary of State for TransportThe Rt Hon. Patrick McLoughlin MP
Secretary of State for ScotlandThe Rt Hon. Alistair Carmichael MP
Secretary of State for Northern IrelandThe Rt Hon. Theresa Villiers MP
Secretary of State for WalesThe Rt Hon. Stephen Crabb MP
Secretary of State for Culture, Media and SportThe Rt Hon. Sajid Javid MP
Secretary of State for Environment, Food and Rural AffairsThe Rt Hon. Elizabeth Truss MP
Chief Secretary to the Treasury
The Rt Hon. Danny Alexander MP

God, the choice!

 

[pogofish]

Any clues to who it will be?

No idea yet, person or exact location.

 

[xslavearcx]

Nick Clegg for the lulz

 

[Sue]

Danny Alexander..?

Actually at whoever thought this would be a good idea. They still don't get it, do they?

 

[ska invita]

genuine spring in my step today

 

[Frankie Jack]

Hell they might as well send all of them. Labour seem to be on an offensive, offensive. Why not drag all the Wastemonster MPs up here to make us all 'Think Again'.

 

[steeplejack]

Eric Joyce on the panicked "super devo max" plans being drawn up on the bag of a fag packet as we speak:

For now, though, I hope Murphy and Darling continue to do their best. One thing is for sure, though; the idea that, with 11 days to go, undecided Scots will trust a last-minute, super-duper-devo-plus offer from politicians who until very recently stood wholly opposed to such a notion is profoundly misguided. It is lunatic. It is baws.