Wilf
Slouching towards Billingham
Given Sting's support for No:
http://www.nme.com/news/the-rolling-stones/79044
... Yes should be playing that non-stop. Might make all the difference.
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http://www.nme.com/news/the-rolling-stones/79044
... Yes should be playing that non-stop. Might make all the difference.
Favelado
J'adore South Shore
... apparently, Bryan Ferry, Andrew Lloyd Webber and Cliff Richard support No. Just saying.
If only Mr. Fix It himself were still alive, donning the Union Jack shellsuit that would seal Scotland the "yes" it deserves.
weepiper
I fix the machines that fight climate change
8ball
Decolonise colons!
... apparently, Bryan Ferry, Andrew Lloyd Webber and Cliff Richard support No. Just saying.
It's a mixed bag on both sides in terms of names I would be inclined to have respect or disdain for, not that I think it should be of any influence and I don't have a vote anyway.
I think the No's are a bit cheeky claiming Mike Myers (for whatever impact an American who plays a cartoon Scottish ogre would have on proceedings) - I saw the interview where he was pushed on this.
Wilf
Slouching towards Billingham
Aye, true, it's just that if you are a rich Englisman and have no real stake in it, you should probably keep your trap shut - and certainly not get into telling Scots how they should vote. And somehow, this seems even more the case if you are telling them to vote no.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
I think you've every right to say what you want wherever the hell you're from, just be prepared for what may come back - and have some decorum about how you do it.
No vote = be quiet is ridiculous.
No vote = be quiet is ridiculous.
8ball
Decolonise colons!
I think the English definitely have a stake in it, just not a vote. Not that this is wrong. When a union is potentially breaking up all members are going to have a say.
Wilf
Slouching towards Billingham
Yeah, certainly - it's just the self awareness of rich slebs I'm questioning.
Wilf
Slouching towards Billingham
Anyway, isn't old Stingo leaving this Sceptered Isle?
http://www.urban75.net/forums/threa...n-a-huff-and-taking-mr-sting-with-her.316257/
http://www.urban75.net/forums/threa...n-a-huff-and-taking-mr-sting-with-her.316257/
8ball
Decolonise colons!
I don't think we need to question that.
Wilf
Slouching towards Billingham
True.
DairyQueen
Well-Known Member
Quartz, sure I can be rude at times, but there is a difference between asking honest questions and framing questions. It won't take me long to find them, but something along the lines of, what guarantees can I be given that I will be fine in thirty years if there is a yes vote? That is loaded as it implies you already have some guarantees (you don't, and if you do they are not defined in the question). These are standard debating tactics. It is not too bad if you acknowledge doing it after someone points it out to you, but you don't do that. You deflect.
How that can be construed as bigotry or racism is beyond me. All of this is straight out the Scottish Labour playbook. It is incredibly frustrating, and the idea that freedom of speech is stifled when folk (not just me and weepiper) get angry with it is ludicrous.
starfish
No dialogue. Just plot.
I havent really been following this thread, i probably should have but have they mentioned what will happen about passports, ie Im will i be able to keep my current UK one or would i have to get a new Scottish one? Please excuse my general ignorance on the situation but ive been away from Scotland for 21years now.
weepiper
I fix the machines that fight climate change
The SNP want to allow dual citizenship but I think this is the sort of thing which will get ironed out after a Yes vote.
http://www.yesscotland.net/answers/who-will-be-eligible-scottish-citizenship-independence-and-future
Favelado
J'adore South Shore
I hope you get a "yes" vote more and more now. Rather than worrying what it means for my native North-West of England, I see it more of a chance for Scots to build something better and stick it to the Tories. Who knows what would happen in England in a reformed island of Britain? Consequences are not always as obvious as they seem. Maybe Tory government wouldn't be inevitable as politics could go through a wider shake-up.
Wilf
Slouching towards Billingham
Yes, every bit of that. Has to be said the likelihood is to keep the Tories in power, but it will do interesting things to the Tory Party (and as you say may well have unpredictable effects anyway).
DairyQueen
Well-Known Member
I agree with that. If we are honest, we will never see radical reforms in the UK. There is no working-class unity in the United Kingdom. I think that a no will create resentment between England and Scotland. It is already starting (probably more so in the south where the idea of sticking it to the Scots is gaining traction). I think in the event of a no, it will be incumbent on the English left to create some proper unity, not this fluffy Labour rhetoric while sticking it to migrants and pretending SNP/yes voters are Zanu-PF.
DexterTCN
Troy and Abed in the morning
All of his arguments were shit, frankly. He was owned.
lazythursday
Averagely-Known Member
Six months ago I was worried that a yes vote would lead to more Tory government and an even worse situation here in northern England. But now I passionately hope for a yes vote, as I think it will have a seismic effect on England and perhaps that moment of chaos could lead to positive change. Yes, it could be worse, but it opens a window of opportunity.
8ball
Decolonise colons!
I didn't notice the ownage so much as the dreadful arguments - an 8 year old could have taken him.
DairyQueen
Well-Known Member
Ed Balls, John Prescott, Gordon Brown and Ed Miliband. If we don't vote yes after that....
DairyQueen
Well-Known Member
Jesus christ.
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