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Will you vote for independence?

Scottish independence?

  • Yes please

    Votes: 99 56.6%

  • No thanks

    Votes: 57 32.6%

  • Dont know yet

    Votes: 17 9.7%
  • Total voters
    175
Well, its not technically true but I take the point (certainly well before the 1980s). These types of incentives go against the whole laissez-faire doctrine, and are more based on central planning. The idea that there will be this race to the bottom caused by a cut in corporation tax is a bit silly in my opinion. Especially considering Cameron's "global race".
 
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DairyQueen said:
... for Douglas Alexander or whichever other Labour MP to bang on about corporation tax is a bit silly when this is going on.
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So you mean big business pulls the strings in Scotland whichever way you vote?

Can't argue with that tbf
 
There are things that can be done about it in Scotland that will not be done across the UK.

But I suppose Scotland will try and attract businesses in the event of independence. The SNP have suggested cutting corporation tax (EDIT: those types of policies might actually benefit places like Glasgow). But this whole race to the bottom thing is more related to the extra powers given to Scotland in the event of a No. No-one in Westminster wants to devolve more powers to a parliament they might not control.

In the event of a Yes, Scotland might be able to afford to be a bit more savvy with its resources than the UK have been and focus more on quality of life. The UK (including Scotland) cannot compete with other countries on cost. It can compete on a tolerant, equal society with beautiful countryside. Of course, nothing stops the UK from achieving that, but the current conventional wisdoms are making that impossible. Ultimately, I believe limited forms of protectionism can be a good thing in such circumstances.
 
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danny la rouge said:
Quartz Have you apologized yet?
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No - I see no reason for apologising for the truth. I had hoped that certain people would take stock and apologise, but they do not appear to have done so.

Anyway, here's some odds you may be interested in...
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I placed my bet on the margin of victory being less than 1% a while back - there are still no odds for a tie in the referendum itself, nor for a margin of < 100 votes.
 
Quartz said:
No - I see no reason for apologising for the truth. I had hoped that certain people would take stock and apologise, but they do not appear to have done so.



I placed my bet on the margin of victory being less than 1% a while back - there are still no odds for a tie in the referendum itself, nor for a margin of < 100 votes.
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seriously? you are either a coward or very deluded and full of yourself as have avoided this thread for a couple of days.

please either apologise or back up your claim that the posters you have accused of racism and bigotry have posted anything to back up your claim.

i am shocked and insulted at your insinuation and not been accused
 
Quartz said:
No - I see no reason for apologising for the truth. I had hoped that certain people would take stock and apologise, but they do not appear to have done so.

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Come on Quartz , there's boisterous debate on here, people get stuck into each other, but calling someone a racist is entirely different. You really should either back it up or withdraw it. You really should.
 
ddraig said:
seriously? you are either a coward or very deluded and full of yourself as have avoided this thread for a couple of days
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Just because I've not posted anything doesn't mean I haven't been keeping an eye on it.

or back up your claim that the posters you have accused of racism and bigotry have posted anything to back up your claim.
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I do not care to remind myself of the nastiness directed at me. I say it as I see it.

ETA More to the point, it's not something that can be summed up in one or even a dozen posts, but a realisation over many months.
 
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Quartz said:
No - I see no reason for apologising for the truth. I had hoped that certain people would take stock and apologise, but they do not appear to have done so.
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you arrogant fool. You should know this board well enough to understand that accusations of racism or bigotry are quite a hefty punch to throw. If you can't back it up then you should withdraw it with apology. We may have never seen eye to eye on matters but I at least thought you a principled liberal. Only an unprincipled arsehole would shout racist at people then refuse to back it up. You are better than this, or at least I thought you were
 
Is this what he's so hot on freedom of speech for?

quartz said:
. I want the bigots and idiots to be able to make themselves heard, so I can recognise them as bigots and idiots. I want people to be able to say things that are unpleasant but actually true.
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What about things that aren't true?

Quartz said:
I love freedom of speech: it gives them the chance to show us what they really are.
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Ain't that the truth.
 
DotCommunist said:
you arrogant fool. You should know this board well enough to understand that accusations of racism or bigotry are quite a hefty punch to throw. If you can't back it up then you should withdraw it with apology. We may have never seen eye to eye on matters but I at least thought you a principled liberal. Only an unprincipled arsehole would shout racist at people then refuse to back it up. You are better than this, or at least I thought you were
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Exactly that. You are entitled to leave in place the claim that you've been badly treated (I'm not agreeing with you, haven't seen the posts), but claiming racism is different. Might dent your pride, but it's still not too late to withdraw it.
 
Quartz said:
Just because I've not posted anything doesn't mean I haven't been keeping an eye on it.



I do not care to remind myself of the nastiness directed at me. I say it as I see it.

ETA More to the point, it's not something that can be summed up in one or even a dozen posts, but a realisation over many months.
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This is woolly rubbish. What am I meant to be apologising for? Disagreeing forcefully with you? That doesn't make me a racist or a bigot. You can't back up what you're accusing me of because I haven't done it. Please never address me again in any way unless it is to withdraw your accusation. I won't be addressing you over anything after this post because it's clearly pointless.
 
weepiper said:
This is woolly rubbish. What am I meant to be apologising for? Disagreeing forcefully with you? That doesn't make me a racist or a bigot. You can't back up what you're accusing me of because I haven't done it. Please never address me again in any way unless it is to withdraw your accusation. I won't be addressing you over anything after this post because it's clearly pointless.
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I have to say as well, after all he posted about nasty polarisation - to say what he did and then to defend it, well, it puts it in another light. I don't blame you for refusing to have anything else to do with him until he redresses this. It's a dignified principled option.
 
Bad form Quartz . Surely you must see that even in the heat of battle you can't spray accusations of racism around and then fail to back them up. Hope you've got the guts to address this. Yes?

Sorry weepiper and DairyQueen , it's your shout whether to carry this on or let it drop, not mine. Just that it pisses me off to see someone stooping to this level to make a point about the referendum.
 
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Wilf said:
Bad form Quartz . Surely you must see that even in the heat of battle you can't spray accusations of racism around and then fail to back them up.
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Sorry, but this is no battle. I can't argue my way out of a paper bag. I know that, so I don't try. I came to this thread to learn, not to argue. I made the same point about learning not arguing many months ago. I forget to whom. I also made the point about being very poorly treated in this thread some months ago, yet it continued. There is no one post, just the gradual accumulation.
 
oh come on. Show the accumulation. Show the racism. I've cheerleaded pretty hard for Yes and I'm as english as they come, not even northern a swiss cottage born englishman. Have I been a self hating racist? You've spoke out of turn and should apologise.
 
Quartz said:
Sorry, but this is no battle. I can't argue my way out of a paper bag. I know that, so I don't try. I came to this thread to learn, not to argue. I made the same point about learning not arguing many months ago. I forget to whom. I also made the point about being very poorly treated in this thread some months ago, yet it continued. There is no one post, just the gradual accumulation.
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where is the racism and bigotry? please
e2a as an anti racist i'd like to know which posters are being racist so i can have a go at them. i very much doubt that the people you have accused have posted anything remotely racist but am giving you the benefit of the doubt and waiting for you to post the evidence so i can see it with my own eyes and challenge the perpetrators about it.
 
Quartz said:
Sorry, but this is no battle. I can't argue my way out of a paper bag. I know that, so I don't try. I came to this thread to learn, not to argue. I made the same point about learning not arguing many months ago. I forget to whom. I also made the point about being very poorly treated in this thread some months ago, yet it continued. There is no one post, just the gradual accumulation.
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This is terrible logic. You are shit at arguing so you are allowed to sling shit around, and, consequentially, you don't need to support it at all? What sort of logic is this?
 
Anyway... I just did a quick search to see if any more polls had come out and encountered this:

  • Bing Predicts: Vote on Scottish Independence
    • 48.5% Yes, 51.5% No
      • Last updated on 8/21/2014
    Bing uses web and social data to make predictions. See How.
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  • Methodologically pointless as this is, in a tiny way it adds to the sense of narrowing, to there being a direction of travel - or just Yes being talked up. Of course it will also reflect the age profile of social media users.
 
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