Will you vote for independence?

[8ball]

Well this is what I've been saying I'm glad he brought it up. All they keep saying is 'no no no' ...

They are the No campaign tbf

 

[DotCommunist]

There's nothing intrinsically wrong with the private sector.

thats not the point (I disagree but..) the point is voters don't want the NHS privatised at all, they never did.

 

[DairyQueen]

http://srogers.cartodb.com/viz/7e681590-2c93-11e4-879b-0edbca4b5057/embed_map

 

[Quartz]

They are the No campaign tbf

Indeed, and as I said in April, defending the status quo is boring.

thats not the point (I disagree but..) the point is voters don't want the NHS privatised at all, they never did.

The NHS depends upon private industry: drug companies, equipment manufacturers, etc, etc. It's a question of state management of the contracts with private industry. And that's not been well done: back as far as I can recall, it's been too easy for a company to bung the ruling party some money and get a lucrative contract in return.

 

[two sheds]

They are the No campaign tbf

They should be positive .... yes yes YES.

 

[weepiper]

ICM post-debate poll split

http://www.icmresearch.com/data/media/pdf/ScotDebate2_Aug2014.pdf

 

[DotCommunist]

I'll have what he's having^^

 

[DairyQueen]

This is not the point though. There is nothing from the No campaign. A no vote is the end, it is basically "Carry on, nothing to see here. Trust Jim Murphy and the gang to do the business at Westminster".

Anyone seriously thinking the UK is fine and dandy when we are having a referendum on independence is either brainwashed, an MP or both. To offer nothing substantive during the campaign. Fucking lunacy. Even if they win, what then? Back to the lies, resentment and right-wing politics?

 

[DairyQueen]

ICM post-debate poll split

http://www.icmresearch.com/data/media/pdf/ScotDebate2_Aug2014.pdf

Well, the Tories thought he won

 

[Quartz]

Darling missed another open goal on nukes. He could have acknowledged that the majority don't like them but noted that a significant minority do.

Anyone seriously thinking the UK is fine and dandy when we are having a referendum on independence is either brainwashed, an MP or both. To offer nothing substantive during the campaign. Fucking lunacy. Even if they win, what then? Back to the lies, resentment and right-wing politics?

Whichever way Scotland votes, the politicians win.

 

[DairyQueen]

The Yes-No split in that post-debate poll is 49%-51%, do you think that was intentional?

 

[8ball]

The Yes-No split in that poll is 49%-51%, do you think that was intentional?

It's just misdirection so no one suspects the chemtrails when the result comes out.

 

[Quartz]

This is not the point though. There is nothing from the No campaign. A no vote is the end, it is basically "Carry on, nothing to see here. Trust Jim Murphy and the gang to do the business at Westminster".

And perhaps that is the better option? It's a tough sell.

 

[weltweit]

.. Anyone seriously thinking the UK is fine and dandy when we are having a referendum on independence is either brainwashed, an MP or both. To offer nothing substantive during the campaign. Fucking lunacy. Even if they win, what then? Back to the lies, resentment and right-wing politics?

Surely it is a good thing there is a referendum?
Make no mistake, if there is a yes vote there will still be hard choices and many may not like it.

 

[DairyQueen]

And perhaps that is the better option? It's a tough sell.

You'd be mad to vote for no. Going down that route is madness or bravery. What do the Labour Party stand for now? They're the ones campaigning for no, and they have offered nothing in return.

 

[Quartz]

You'd be mad to vote for no. Going down that route is madness or bravery.

Going the Yes route is also madness or bravery.

From my long-term perspective, Salmond did himself a disservice by not addressing the issue of the oil running out. Yes, it won't run out in the next decade, but it will eventually.

 

[weepiper]

William Hill's odds on a Yes vote have dropped from 5/1 to 9/2 to 4/1 in the last hour. Paddy Power only offering 7/2.

 

[danny la rouge]

Johann Lamont trying to say Darling won.

 

[8ball]

William Hill's odds on a Yes vote have dropped from 5/1 to 9/2 to 4/1 in the last hour.

I didn't realise the odds were that long to begin with.

 

[DairyQueen]

And here are the figures from the poll on voting intention in the referendum. This is what people said after the debate.

Will you vote yes or no? (don’t knows included)

(Figures from the last debate in brackets)

Yes: 45% (42%)

No: 47% (47%

Don’t know: 8% (11%)

Will you vote yes or now (don’t knows excluded)

Yes: 49% (47%)

No: 51% (53%)

Remember, this is just a poll of people who watched the debate (many people won’t have watched it) and it is based on a very small sample.

The sample of 500 people polled this time is not the same as last time, although there is almost certainly some overlap.

And the sample is small. According to the figures, there were 15 respondents who said they were voting no pre-debate who afterwards said they would vote yes. And four people in the yes camp pre-debate shifted to no.

 

[coley]

If they vote no, how long will the actual separation take and have both sides agreed to accept the border as it stands?
Just need to know if I need to start moving munitions up thataway

 

[DotCommunist]

you mean if they vote yes

 

[weltweit]

If they vote no, how long will the actual separation take and have both sides agreed to accept the border as it stands?
Just need to know if I need to start moving munitions up thataway

The trouble is, if they vote yes, they have out biggest guns!!

 

[coley]

you mean if they vote yes

Aye,

 

[coley]

The trouble is, if they vote yes, they have out biggest guns!!

They seem very keen on getting rid of them and the jobs involved in looking after them, pity there's nowhere here could replace Faslane, be a nice boost to our local economy.

 

[weltweit]

They seem very keen on getting rid of them and the jobs involved in looking after them, pity there's nowhere here could replace Faslane, be a nice boost to our local economy.

I have seen a few subs moored in Southampton.

 

[weepiper]

 

[coley]

I have seen a few subs moored in Southampton.

Blyth used to be a major sub base, don't know if it could handle the bigguns though.

 

[Quartz]

They seem very keen on getting rid of them and the jobs involved in looking after them, pity there's nowhere here could replace Faslane, be a nice boost to our local economy.

How about somewhere like Fowey on the south coast? It's deep enough for the china clay ships.

 

[Quartz]

I thought the standard of moderation was dreadful. Even worse than the last one.