Wikileaks - It's time to open the archives

[xes]

Anyone near Westminster, there's a protest
http://www.justiceforassange.com/

(it's already started, but if you're close enough to attend, and you wish to do so, you now know it's on)

 

[xes]

Guess who has now been removed from TIME person of the year award.
http://www.time.com/time/specials/packages/completelist/0,29569,1972075,00.html

 

[xes]

Lady GAGA is 5th

 

[Yossarian]

Guess who has now been removed from TIME person of the year award.
http://www.time.com/time/specials/packages/completelist/0,29569,1972075,00.html

Wrong list, that's for some '100 most influential in the world' list published last April, person of the year is here:

http://www.time.com/time/specials/packages/completelist/0,29569,2028734,00.html

 

[xes]

Nice clarification, thanking you.

But even worse, lady fucking gaga is still 3rd

 

[xes]

VISA also suspending all payments to wikileaks, pending firther investigation.
http://www.startribune.com/politics...D:aUzyaUiD3aPc:_Yyc:aU7DYaGEP7vDEh7P<img src=

 

[xes]

One of the ladies who have accused Assange of sex allegations, has CIA links.
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2010/12/assange-rape-accuser-cia-ties/

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

What do people think about the argument that wikileaks can be self-defeating.

I.e. it's ethos is to encourage culture of disclosure through offering leakers anonymity but that this might also discourage any culture of disclosure amongst its targets.

It's certainly going to make them ramp up internal security. TBH, I don't blame Wikileaks for all the US data they've put online. If anyone is to "blame" its the Bush administration and they're complete inability to grasp that computer security is important. In my opinion, this is the unreported story of the entire episode.

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

VISA also suspending all payments to wikileaks, pending firther investigation.
http://www.startribune.com/politics...D:aUzyaUiD3aPc:_Yyc:aU7DYaGEP7vDEh7P<img src=

Not much they can do if people buy pre-paid visa cards and send them along.

 

[goldenecitrone]

One of the ladies who have accused Assange of sex allegations, has CIA links.
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2010/12/assange-rape-accuser-cia-ties/

This is a bit like the Mordechai Vanunu case. Except this time they will finish him off in a Texas prison for having sex without using a condom. Is the Pope involved in all this bullshit, too?

 

[temper_tantrum]

Bail refused.

Edit: Sorry if this has already been posted but it's well worth a read:
http://cryptome.org/0002/ja-conspiracies.pdf

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

Bail refused.

That seems unusual. He hasn't shown himself to be a flight risk and the crime he's accused of wasn't a violent assault.

 

[belboid]

rape isn't violent???

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

rape isn't violent???

It sounded like he was accused of coercion and misrepresentation rather than forcible rape.

 

[belboid]

One count of rape, one of sexual coercion, two of 'sexual molestation'

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

One count of rape, one of sexual coercion, two of 'sexual molestation'

I'm sorry, but none of that would neccesarily bar getting out on bail (at least in the US). I realize that Britain is different, but nothing I've read in the newspapers there would tell me that he wouldn't get out on bail, compared to other similar cases.

 

[Kanda]

It's Swedens odd rape laws. Sex by 'Suprise' or something because it was unprotected.... I'll try find the article.

 

[temper_tantrum]

I'm sorry, but none of that would neccesarily bar getting out on bail (at least in the US). I realize that Britain is different, but nothing I've read in the newspapers there would tell me that he wouldn't get out on bail, compared to other similar cases.

Judge's reasons: lack of connection/ties to this country, nomadic lifestyle, no evidence of his entry into UK.

 

[belboid]

But he is someone who frequently 'sneaks' in and out of countries and makes his whereabouts rather mysterious. So it's not really surprising he has been refused bail.

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

Judge's reasons: lack of connection/ties to this country, nomadic lifestyle, no evidence of his entry into UK.

So basically, they consider him a flight risk. Thanks, that makes sense.

 

[Santino]

What do people think about the argument that wikileaks can be self-defeating.

I.e. it's ethos is to encourage culture of disclosure through offering leakers anonymity but that this might also discourage any culture of disclosure amongst its targets.

It's utterly devoid of merit. When has not forcing governments and corporations to do something they don't want to do ever encouraged them to do it?

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-11937110

One of the charges is that he had unprotected sex with a woman, identified only as Miss A, when she insisted he use a condom.

Another is that he had unprotected sex with another woman, Miss W, while she was asleep

Five people, including journalist John Pilger, film director Ken Loach and Jemima Khan, the sister of Conservative MP Zac Goldsmith, stood up in court offering to put up sureties....


Judge Riddle...said he feared he "may be at risk from unstable persons".

 

[DexterTCN]

If he was a flight risk he wouldn't have gone to the station voluntarily.

The best thing WL could do now is to appoint another person in charge.

 

[xes]

If he was a flight risk he wouldn't have gone to the station voluntarily.

The best thing WL could do now is to appoint another person in charge.

Assange never was "in charge" he's said so on a number of interviews. He said that wikileaks needed a face, as to detract from the speculation of who was behind it, which would have got in the way of the content of what they release. (those who don't want us to see what's in the cables, would have made sure that it was far more important to discuss that, rather than the content)

 

[pk]

Expect lots more leaks if he's banged up for a threesome....

 

[Kid_Eternity]

But he is someone who frequently 'sneaks' in and out of countries and makes his whereabouts rather mysterious. So it's not really surprising he has been refused bail.

Define sneaks?

 

[Kid_Eternity]

Expect lots more leaks if he's banged up for a threesome....

Wouldn't surprise me if they had a few 'nuclear options' they're considering dropping on the US in retaliation....

 

[belboid]

Define sneaks?

No, thats why I put it in quotes!

But there is no evidence of his entry to the country, something a judge would never look kindly upon.

 

[Diamond]

It's utterly devoid of merit. When has not forcing governments and corporations to do something they don't want to do ever encouraged them to do it?

There is an argument that leaking diplomatic cables on such a wholesale scale critically damages the reputation of the diplomatic service involved thereby acting as a disincentive to those who might be encouraged to pass on valuable information.

It's one thing to disclose individual facts and stories, it's quite another to utterly dicredit a country's wider intelligence system.

Having said that, there is a sense of inevitability to wikileaks. But that doesn't mean we should embrace it as the start of some kind of halycon era of transparency and openness because that's really not the destination we're hurtling towards.

This kind of thing engenders paranoia, discourages communication and ramps up secrecy.

 

[belboid]

There is an argument that leaking diplomatic cables on such a wholesale scale critically damages the reputation of the diplomatic service involved thereby acting as a disincentive to those who might be encouraged to pass on valuable information.

It's not a very good argument tho, is it?

It's one thing to disclose individual facts and stories, it's quite another to utterly dicredit a country's wider intelligence system.

Which wikileaks hasn't done