Wikileaks: Heroes of free speech or dangerous subversives?
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Plastic Paddy
I don't think I've posted anything particularly controversial there, have I?
All these 'anarchist' types are busy feting the bloke and blowing smoke up his arse, but he hasn't actually done anything vaguely useful.
He's created a storm by leaking stuff that people suspected anyway. Big deal. The reaction to him is more indicative of the general annoyance that people are feeling about governments and politics of recent years.
No doubt he's pissed in a few peoples swimming pools and one or two heads will probably role, but all this will probably be forgotten by xmas. The reason? People knew this shit anyway.
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Plastic Paddy
Wikileaks is a useful tool for Whistleblowers. Assange has helped increased the transparency of government and allowed us as citizens see what they are actually doing in our name.
And you needed some leaked documents to reach that conclusion did you?
Anyone can come up with theories about what they suspect the government might be doing, however you require empirical evidence that supports your theories if you expect anyone other than conspiracy theorist on forum boards to take you seriously.
So called 'democratic' governments have been progressively eroding any shreds of democracy that we have left since 9/11. There has been a growing need of a massive 'correction' to this. Wikileaks is hopefully going to help provide it. I don't want to live in an oppressive police state.
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Plastic Paddy
What a load of bollocks.
Anyone who thinks government agencies or their employees will be modifying their behaviour as a result of Wikileaks is living in fucking lala land.
Once all this has blown over, the same shit will continue. They'll just be more careful about doing it by email.
I said that 'Wikileaks will help'. The rest is up to the rest of us.
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Plastic Paddy
It won't.
It'll ensure that any future 'dirty-dealings' are kept well and truly under the table, not committed to electronic media and arranged in different ways.
What makes you think the real dirty-dealing isn't allready kept off electroninc media?
Quite it means more people are distrustful of the government and more likely to want a political alternative, that is a good thing.
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F.O.A.D
OK, what would you suggest an appropriate course of action would be, to let people know how much they're being cunted off by their own goverments?
We need wikileaks to do what they're doing. It may not stop the problem, but it will highlight it to some people who previously thought that the world powers were lovely types, who have our best interest at heart. They can now see them for the shit covered cocksticks they really are. And we don't have to suck them off anymore. Sure, loads of people already knew this, that pretty much all of our "leaders" are a bunch of socket cunts. But oh so many people just don't realise it. Hopefully they now do. (well, those with enough brains in their heads to see past the media spin)
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Plastic Paddy
Nothing, in fact I'm fucking sure that most of it is!
You really think so?
I don't think it'll change opinions one iota. Only the terminally naive will be surprised at anything that's been leaked so far.
Everyone else is just having a chuckle and enjoying the novelty value of a bunch of politicos being made to squirm a bit!
But that'll wear off.
In the meantime though, the USA has been very seriously inconvenienced. They'll have to shift around their entire diplomatic corps for one thing. So I'd say Assange has performed a very valuable service to mankind.
Fair play to Jemima Kahn and all.
"So far" is only a fraction of what they've got.
There's no doubt that Wikileaks has thrown a spanner in the works of the war machine, thereby slowing it down significantly. I'd venture to say they've saved thousands of lives.
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Plastic Paddy
I don't see why that, in and of itself, is a particular service that he's done for mankind. All this just seems to be poking the Yanks with a stick. Good fun, but ultimately of little meaningful consequence!
Sure, but if the rest isn't seriously better stuff, people are going to be disappointed.
And I'll come back to this: what's Jules after out of all this?
Does he really see himself as some kind of information dissemination Superman? It all seems a bit odd.
For all we know, at the moment people could be bigging up a rapist who's releasing the information as a smokescreen. Who knows anything about this bloke?
likesfish
You can't park here sir
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/dec/06/wikileaks-cables-nato-russia-baltics
how does this help anyone.
russia's pissed off.
how does this help anyone.
russia's pissed off.
They'll have to scale down military operations, to some extent at least, while they figure out exactly what's going on.
As I said, that will save thousands of lives. The people of Afghanistan and Iraq will enjoy some respite.
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F.O.A.D
Why?
What has come out so far that you think is game-changing as far as public opinion is concerned?
Everyone is getting cunted-off pretty evenly.
Why? I say why not. It HAS opened up another way of looking at our pisshole faced goverments for some. And as phil said, they've only just started on this load of leaks. (if they carry on at this rate, it'll take 23 years to get through it all, so expect some big loads (hehe, I said big loads) soon. Big businesses and banks are apparently next (in tonights dump maybe, but I have no idea how far through the first lot of cables we are) And i agree, everyone has been, and is getting cunted evenly, but were they aware of it? Now they are. CAn you see that this is a good thing?
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F.O.A.D
Well, if any leaks do kick start WW3, then we'll know that JA is CIA
(as many have already suggested)
Balbi
Hey, Dean Yager!
If they attempt to extradite him from Sweden he's going to have a cast iron case to be freed. The rape charges are regards to the use of a condom in three cases and restraint in another. I'm more than a little concerned about the public's seeming dismissal of the rape charges, equally though that they have been manufactured to bring Assange to a convenient places. Rape's under reported and under prosecuted as it is, and this sideshow's certainly not making any less of a maligned crime in public consciousness.
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F.O.A.D
He hasn't broken any US laws as far as i'm aware.
Balbi
Hey, Dean Yager!
Don't worry, Joe Lieberman will have some new ones ready for his arrival.
Also, pwning Assange will have little to no effect on the release of the Cables and might even prompt the release of the 'Insurance Documentation' that's been occasionally mentioned. Massive self-inflicted foot wound if so.
Also, pwning Assange will have little to no effect on the release of the Cables and might even prompt the release of the 'Insurance Documentation' that's been occasionally mentioned. Massive self-inflicted foot wound if so.
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