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Why the Guardian is going down the pan!

Idris2002 said:
Is the Guardian basically the '80s NME, just not in a good way?
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That's just a terrible terrible comparison. One a paper stuffed full of great writers from varied backgrounds who loved the stuff they were writing abou. One full of journalists from a very narrow background with little expertise in the stuff they write about. The only crossover i can see is in the opinion is king idea. And the latter was never supposed to be based on that.
 
butchersapron said:
That's just a terrible terrible comparison. One a paper stuffed full of great writers from varied backgrounds who loved the stuff they were writing abou. One full of journalists from a very narrow background with little expertise in the stuff they write about. The only crossover i can see is in the opinion is king idea. And the latter was never supposed to be based on that.
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Isn't that just something we tell ourselves, on the cold nights when we can't sleep?
 
Idris2002 said:
Isn't that just something we tell ourselves, on the cold nights when we can't sleep?
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Nope - full of talent. Some things are good. Not everything is untrue or a lie. I suspect not many people have psychological reliance on the nme having good writers interested in music and film being true.
 
butchersapron said:
Nope - full of talent. Some things are good. Not everything is untrue or a lie. I suspect not many people have psychological reliance on the nme having good writers interested in music and film being true.
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Steven Wells, maybe, but the rest were just queasy undergraduates squeezing their pimples.
 
This was a pretty awful article in CiF:

http://www.theguardian.com/commenti...and-love-bombing-scotland-no-vote-westminster

This was particularly stupid:

“Dear Scotland. Sorry we decimated your industry. We will make it up to you with a mini-break of your choosing. Love England.” That kind of thing?
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I'd love to know how you blame the decimation of Scottish industry on "England" considering England and Wales went through the same painful process in the 1980's. I suppose the Miners strike must have passed Suzanne Moore by? The destruction of the Steel industry?
And where was Ian McGregor from?

Surely a better target is the Neo-liberal ideology of the Tories? The lack of planning on the part of the UK government to replace the Steel/coal/shipbuilding industries with training and new industries?

The Guardian seems to fill CiF with click-bait.
 
Idris2002 said:
Steven Wells, maybe, but the rest were just queasy undergraduates squeezing their pimples.
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Quantick, Maconie, even collins, dalton and the lessers, all loving music, all pumping out good...er...copy. Melody maker is where your careerists - just doing journalism - went. The ellens, the morans,the harris'. All three of them ending up being guardian regulars in fact.
 
butchersapron said:
Quantick, Maconie, even collins, dalton and the lessers, all loving music, all pumping out good...er...copy. Melody maker is where your careerists - just doing journalism - went. The ellens, the morans,the harris'. All three of them ending up being guardian regulars in fact.
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Barbara Ellen? She was NME seed, breed and generation.
 
butchersapron said:
Yep, you're right. We're two one up. And i have a few super subs (don't bother with parsons/burchill - wrong time and they reflecting something else).
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William Leith got his start at the NME, also.

Seriously though, I can remember a fascinating piece in the NME about the underground rock scene in Czechoslovakia, but by the end of the 80s that kind of thing was going well out of style.
 
and for that you get to attend conferences at some posh building. You'd have thought they'd throw a free soulmates sub in with the price, just incase you accidently go on okcupid and end up fucking someone who isn't a twat.
 
Belushi said:
They've started a membership scheme! For £15 a month http://www.theguardian.com/membersh...lan-rusbridger-welcome-to-guardian-membership
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This is how the idea started: just over two years ago, we threw open our doors at Kings Place in London for a kind of weekend festival. We wanted to test the appetite of our readers for close-up encounters with the paper’s journalists, together with a scintillating array of outside speakers, and with each other.
Crowds at the Guardian and Observer open weekend in 2012. Photograph: Katherine Rose/Guardian
About 6,000 of you crowded into the building over the weekend. The atmosphere was great. The debates were absorbing. The food, fringe conversations and music were incredibly relaxed and enjoyable. The sun shone.
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Come friendly bombs...
 
The high-profile news: The Guardian is redeveloping 30,000 square feet of falling-apart old warehouse, the Grade II-listed Midland Goods Shed in the heart of London, just blocks away from its Kings Cross-area headquarters. The new two-story expanse known as Guardian Space will begin hosting dozens of events a week after the scheduled 2016 opening. But long before the Space opens its doors The Guardian will begin throwing many more events in venues around the U.K. beginning this fall. Overall, The Guardian believes it will sponsor hundreds of events each week across Britain through the Guardian Live push. Check out the initial list here, ranging from author talks to comedy and “the science of cycling.”

They cover “events, activities and courses.” Quite importantly, The Guardian won’t be doing that itself. It will partner with a wide assortment of educational and cultural institutions — think of the relationship and possible commercial sponsorship benefits of that outreach — to produce and-co-produce events.

Events are one part of this new play. The other part: The Guardian Membership, in lieu of paywalls.

http://www.niemanlab.org/2014/09/ke...ership-playing-the-physicaldigital-continuum/
 
ISIS do your job:

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cantsin said:
Feeeble attempt by Zoe "I've got a Nanny, so what" Williams" to establish that the #Yes campaign is winning because they've painted the whole of England as Tories ("a wicked Lie" )

Don't bother looking for a single piece of supporting evidence etc.

http://labourlist.org/2014/09/a-message-to-the-people-of-scotland-tory-england-is-a-wicked-lie/
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That was actually written by Jamie Reed MP, she just tweeted a link to it. It is a terrible and moderately offensive article though.
 
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