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Why the Guardian is going down the pan!

As a gay man of rapidly advancing years I still get flashbacks from the teenage/20s period trying to fit into a 100% straight friendship group and not knowing whether they were "pal", "mate", "cha", or whatever. Absolute minefield. Shibboleth central. And of course after a number of years you all move on and lose touch so I went through all that fitting in for NOTHING.
 
Got back into the rhythem of buying the Observer, and it pretty much takes up much of my sunday. It's the usual liberal moving chairs around on the titanic in the opinion pieces, but by god does it have lots of other value. i learn so much just by browsing. I like it - i like the experience of lounging about reading a newspaper. i seem to lose myself easier when it's in paper form. 4 quid an issue though 😳 i like also the idea that this is a group of peoples' "overall picture of what is happening". which is of course nothing like what is really happening. but it;s a picture of it no less and that in itself has its own value. What's the alternative? a million seperate voices and nothing really to tie them together?
 
As a teen trying to differentiate myself from dad (in particular) I would buy the Observer every Sunday. It felt terribly grown up of me and I perhaps over-acted the smart- Alec attitude at home reading it.

What I will say, as someone who doesn't really read much any more, I can see the luxury of putting away the phone and just sitting in the Dog & Duck and reading a full newspaper of a Sunday.
 
Got back into the rhythem of buying the Observer, and it pretty much takes up much of my sunday. It's the usual liberal moving chairs around on the titanic in the opinion pieces, but by god does it have lots of other value. i learn so much just by browsing. I like it - i like the experience of lounging about reading a newspaper. i seem to lose myself easier when it's in paper form. 4 quid an issue though 😳 i like also the idea that this is a group of peoples' "overall picture of what is happening". which is of course nothing like what is really happening. but it;s a picture of it no less and that in itself has its own value. What's the alternative? a million seperate voices and nothing really to tie them together?
Maybe once a year will pick up a copy of the American broadsheet at the station konbini for around the equivalent of a pound (iirc) but it's more of a treat.

Agreed that there's something about the physical form - online just doesn't match up to it.
 
I can see the luxury of putting away the phone and just sitting in the Dog & Duck and reading a full newspaper of a Sunday.

As soon as I retire the smartphone, which is essential for my work, is getting launched out the fucking window- back to a Nokia 3310 and much more reading of actual books and magazines. And not having to have an opinion on issues such as to whether Ajax fans are anti-semitic, and share it across multiple platforms.
 
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As soon as I retire the smartphone, which is essential for my work, is getting launched out the fucking window- back to a Nokia 3310 and much more reading of actual books and magazines. And not having to have an opinion on issues such as to whether Ajax fans are anti-semitic, and share it across multiple platforms.
I've been thinking of the same thing for a while. One source of stress we didn't have before was getting expected to have opinions on everything, and demanding opinions from others. Taking the Internet so seriously can't be healthy (and I say that about how I sometimes can't shake what has been typed about me online even at night at home).
 
As soon as I retire the smartphone, which is essential for my work, is getting launched out the fucking window- back to a Nokia 3310 and much more reading of actual books and magazines. And not having to have an opinion on issues such as to whether Ajax fans are anti-semitic, and share it across multiple platforms.
the UK's 2G network is supposed to be shut down by 2030 or thereabouts. your 3310 will be a useless brick.

I find it's ok keeping a smartphone with all the benefits of that, but just don't install the twitter app or similar. stay out of the outrage and bullshit opinions quagmire.


anyway, good for the Guardian. NPR in the USA quit Twitter a while back. hopefully more will follow suit.
 
the UK's 2G network is supposed to be shut down by 2030 or thereabouts. your 3310 will be a useless brick.

I find it's ok keeping a smartphone with all the benefits of that, but just don't install the twitter app or similar. stay out of the outrage and bullshit opinions quagmire.

Yeah, not caring about the brand, just a phone for calls, and maybe texts.
 
Yeah, not caring about the brand, just a phone for calls, and maybe texts.
When my gran started losing her sight she was given an almighty big chunky thing with huge buttons just for texting and calling. I was slightly mocking then but envious now!
 
I've been thinking of the same thing for a while. One source of stress we didn't have before was getting expected to have opinions on everything, and demanding opinions from others. Taking the Internet so seriously can't be healthy (and I say that about how I sometimes can't shake what has been typed about me online even at night at home).

I would love a "dumb phone" (a phone that probably makes you smarter in the long run) wiht spotify.

I cannot live without spotify. lol

Urban is my only social media and whatsapp. That really is my limit.
 
the average human spend 5 hours on the their phone each day. that in itself is fine, no real issue. it's whether things are lost because of it, that's the question that keeps me pre-occupied.
 
if attention is placed on one thing over and over, what was the attention doing when it wasn't doing that? it's an interesting question.

if a dog walker goes on a walk and listens to a podcast.

what were they doing (thinking/feeling) when they used to go for a walk before spotify?

not saying one is better than the other.
 
the average human spend 5 hours on the their phone each day. that in itself is fine, no real issue. it's whether things are lost because of it, that's the question that keeps me pre-occupied.
Something's been lost. Despite all the many different ways of communicating these days, it sometimes feels like people don't actually talk anymore. If that makes any sense.
 
As soon as I retire the smartphone, which is essential for my work, is getting launched out the fucking window- back to a Nokia 3310 and much more reading of actual books and magazines. And not having to have an opinion on issues such as to whether Ajax fans are anti-semitic, and share it across multiple platforms.
I am glad that I am not the only person who is sceptical of smart phones. I have never had one, and am glad that I have never been required to have one. These days, though, medical practitioners often send links to my dumb phone, which I have to labouriously type into my computer.
 
if attention is placed on one thing over and over, what was the attention doing when it wasn't doing that? it's an interesting question.

if a dog walker goes on a walk and listens to a podcast.

what were they doing (thinking/feeling) when they used to go for a walk before spotify?

not saying one is better than the other.
What of the people who always seem to be in conversation when they are walking along the street? If fear that people will soon no longer be able to be alone with their thoughts. I am sure that being in touch so much is having a negative impact on child development.
 
Something's been lost. Despite all the many different ways of communicating these days, it sometimes feels like people don't actually talk anymore. If that makes any sense.

prolonged periods of abject boredom, too. who remembers summer holidays of days and days of boredom - but you would find a way. now, not entirely, but now that is filled with spending hours and hours staring into a screen. so what, and i kind of agree - but then there are things that are lost because of that.
 
prolonged periods of abject boredom, too. who remembers summer holidays of days and days of boredom - but you would find a way. now, not entirely, but now that is filled with spending hours and hours staring into a screen. so what, and i kind of agree - but then there are things that are lost because of that.
We see a parent sitting with their child, and looking at their phone. In the days before the smart phone, would we have seen a parent sitting with their child and reading the newspaper?
 
We see a parent sitting with their child, and looking at their phone. In the days before the smart phone, would we have seen a parent sitting with their child and reading the newspaper?
you're more likely to see both looking at their phones.
 
i don't particularly agree with the idea that phones make us stupid/extreme/etc but if all you do is Y instead of X, then it's important to see what X once was. it's almost a form of conservatism i suppose, but don't care.
 
prolonged periods of abject boredom, too. who remembers summer holidays of days and days of boredom - but you would find a way. now, not entirely, but now that is filled with spending hours and hours staring into a screen. so what, and i kind of agree - but then there are things that are lost because of that.

Obviously, mobile phones and other tech have their advantages. A portal to the rest of the world and information, etc.

Even if it is the graun, on occasion.
 
If there was an "all media is going down the pan" thread I'd put this in it along with every other solemn-faced take on Tyson / Paul today treating their for-profit freakshow as some sort of actual serious boxing match. It's not sad for Tyson, he walks away tens of millions of dollars richer for 16 minutes of pratting about. It's not sad for boxing, which has no reputation for probity to besmirch. It's mostly sad for the media itself, which couldn't help but make actual sports journalists write about the thing.


Now the precedent is set maybe they can start a WWE column.
 
As a gay man of rapidly advancing years I still get flashbacks from the teenage/20s period trying to fit into a 100% straight friendship group and not knowing whether they were "pal", "mate", "cha", or whatever. Absolute minefield. Shibboleth central. And of course after a number of years you all move on and lose touch so I went through all that fitting in for NOTHING.
Bit like worry. All that worry I have had over the years. For what? Because here I am.
 
If there was an "all media is going down the pan" thread I'd put this in it along with every other solemn-faced take on Tyson / Paul today treating their for-profit freakshow as some sort of actual serious boxing match. It's not sad for Tyson, he walks away tens of millions of dollars richer for 16 minutes of pratting about. It's not sad for boxing, which has no reputation for probity to besmirch. It's mostly sad for the media itself, which couldn't help but make actual sports journalists write about the thing.


Now the precedent is set maybe they can start a WWE column.
a sad sight overall, an ageing once was and rapist versus a youtube wanker who goes around baiting old men into fights for money. A nadir for all involved.
 
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