Why the Guardian is going down the pan!

[Pickman's model]

Guardian goes up the pan slightly, I received a reply:

Dear Platinumsage, thank you for your email.

"Nice" is the correct way of referring to the body, as per our style guide, which advises that only the initial letter is capitalised for acronyms (abbreviations that themselves are spoken as words - eg Nasa, Unicef, Rada).

However, I think our editors should use common sense in this specific case, and Nice should not be used at the beginning of a headline or subheading, as these are the only places where the acronym could be confused with the word "nice", devoid of further context provided by the body text.

I passed this query on to the relevant production editor, who arranged for it to be changed.

as anyone whose toilet has ever overflowed will tell you, something moving up the pan is to be deplored.

 

[kabbes]

Guardian goes up the pan slightly, I received a reply:

Dear Platinumsage, thank you for your email.

"Nice" is the correct way of referring to the body, as per our style guide, which advises that only the initial letter is capitalised for acronyms (abbreviations that themselves are spoken as words - eg Nasa, Unicef, Rada).

However, I think our editors should use common sense in this specific case, and Nice should not be used at the beginning of a headline or subheading, as these are the only places where the acronym could be confused with the word "nice", devoid of further context provided by the body text.

I passed this query on to the relevant production editor, who arranged for it to be changed.

Unicef itself writes it out as Unicef. (Which is another guardian style guide rule, follow the organisations usage)

If they are following the style guide of adopting the usage of the body in question, they should be writing it as NICE. And, I believe, NASA.

 

[equationgirl]

Guardian goes up the pan slightly, I received a reply:

Dear Platinumsage, thank you for your email.

"Nice" is the correct way of referring to the body, as per our style guide, which advises that only the initial letter is capitalised for acronyms (abbreviations that themselves are spoken as words - eg Nasa, Unicef, Rada).

However, I think our editors should use common sense in this specific case, and Nice should not be used at the beginning of a headline or subheading, as these are the only places where the acronym could be confused with the word "nice", devoid of further context provided by the body text.

I passed this query on to the relevant production editor, who arranged for it to be changed.

VINDICATION

 

[Pickman's model]

VINDICATION

all caps => madness

 

[equationgirl]

all caps => madness

I AM RIGHTEOUS IN MY VINDICATION WHICH REQUIRES ALL CAPS, MR MODEL.

 

[killer b]

If they are following the style guide of adopting the usage of the body in question, they should be writing it as NICE. And, I believe, NASA.

No-one other than the Guardian writes Nasa do they? It looks really weird on the page

 

[kabbes]

No-one other than the Guardian writes Nasa do they? It looks really weird on the page

Agreed. As does Nice, for that matter, in reference to the National Institute for Health and Care Excellence

 

[equationgirl]

NICE also use all caps for their acronym, so the Guardian wasn't correctly following it's own guidance to start with (do what the organisation under discussion does).

 

[kabbes]

NICE also use all caps for their acronym, so the Guardian wasn't correctly following it's own guidance to start with (do what the organisation under discussion does).

You “liked” me saying that literally five posts earlier…

 

[belboid]

If they are following the style guide of adopting the usage of the body in question, they should be writing it as NICE. And, I believe, NASA.

So they do. The ‘acronym’rule must take precedence for them.

(the independent and times of India seem to be the only ones who follow the guardian re Nasa, btw. My phone tries to insist on capitalising it).

 

[equationgirl]

You “liked” me saying that literally five posts earlier…

I have a migraine starting.

 

[Cerv]

If they are following the style guide of adopting the usage of the body in question, they should be writing it as NICE. And, I believe, NASA.

Nasa spell colour without a 'u' so let's not start taking their input.

 

[Santino]

Nasa spell colour without a 'u' so let's not start taking their input.

Yeah, it's not as if the people at NASA are brain surgeons or anything.

 

[Shechemite]

It should be NICE National Institute for Clinical Excellence guidance...

Acronyms written improperly irritates me greatly.

Isn’t it National Institute for Clinical and Health Excellence now?

 

[equationgirl]

Isn’t it National Institute for Clinical and Health Excellence now?

It is, as others have pointed out, but as far as I know the acronym used is still NICE.

 

[8ball]

It is, as others have pointed out, but as far as I know the acronym used is still NICE.

Actually the acronym is now awful.
It should be NICHE.

 

[killer b]

Just reading that Dawn Foster, formerly of the graun, has died suddenly. Binning her was one of their more egregious recent down-the-pan activities. Surprisingly sad about it tbh, she was sound.

 

[DaveCinzano]

Just reading that Dawn Foster, formerly of the graun, has died suddenly. Binning her was one of their more egregious recent down-the-pan activities. Surprisingly sad about it tbh, she was sound.

Been quite ill of late hasn't she?

 

[Pickman's model]

Been quite ill of late hasn't she?

So Twitter said

 

[belboid]

Been quite ill of late hasn't she?

For many years and was back in with issues relating to it the last couple of weeks. Where she met a conspiraloon trying to get her out of the ward because she was ‘shedding’

Hounded horribly by the terfs at the guardian (and outside it)

 

[DaveCinzano]

So Twitter said

Well, I meant she's been frequently posting about being in hospital, going into hospital, or coming out of hospital

 

[killer b]

Well, I meant she's been frequently posting about being in hospital, going into hospital, or coming out of hospital

I think she had some long-term illness, but I'm not sure what it was. Something that involves fits and hospitalisations.

 

[DaveCinzano]

I think she had some long-term illness, but I'm not sure what it was. Something that involves fits and hospitalisations.

Epilepsy

 

[DaveCinzano]

For anyone who wished to

 

[Dogsauce]

That’s pretty sad, one of the few people I followed on Twitter back when I was active there and she seemed pretty grounded politically, and I don’t think from particularly privileged roots, probably unusual at the graun. Don’t get may voices like that in the ‘mainstream’. A good human.

 

[BillRiver]

Nice guidance to induce minority ethnic pregnancies earlier condemned as racist​

I suppose that’s better than nasty guidance.

I know which thread this is and what it's about, but still: am amazed how many posts about them using "Nice" instead of "NICE" with almost none about what the article and headline is actually about!

I mean, I know Nice/NICE and the NHS is institutionally racist, as is medicine/healthcare overall, but I still find it shocking, the content of this article. Shocking and enraging, and worthy of a post.

 

[BillRiver]

Epilepsy

And schwannomatosis.

 

[elbows]

I think she broke some bones in a fall, went to hospital, got pumped full of drugs and released from hospital, then passed away unexpectedly very soon after release.

 

[BillRiver]

This is the article Dawn Foster wrote, that led Tom Watson to have her sacked by them. Wouldn't it be awkward if it reached the top of their "most read" and/or more "most shared" charts:

If Tom Watson had guts, he would quit Labour. Instead he is weakening the party | Dawn Foster

 

[8ball]

This is the article Dawn Foster wrote, that led Tom Watson to have her sacked by them. Wouldn't it be awkward if it reached the top of their "most read" and/or more "most shared" charts:

If Tom Watson had guts, he would quit Labour. Instead he is weakening the party | Dawn Foster

Oh, the name had escaped me but I know the face.
I liked her.