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White civil rights leader has pretended to be black for years

The article elides a lot of stuff that's been linked to on this thread.



There are no absolutes, just as there's no actual evidence that Ms.Dolezal believed herself to be black after spending the first couple of decades of her life believing herself to be white. What appears to have triggered this belief is the realisation that she could get a college scholarship if she identified as black that she couldn't get as white. She is very likely to have known what she was doing. That much appears to be evident in the lengths to which she went to conceal and obfuscate.

Fair enough, and I've got to say I've got very mixed feelings about this particular issue. I guess I'm mainly trying to say I think she's suffered enough in her life really, she's clearly troubled, she's not hurt anyone physically, by all accounts if you consider the NAACP a useful organisation she was a good activist, and I think the bile was unjustified. I have read in several articles that she didn't get a scholarship as a result of race though - it wasn't an award reserved for black students.

On the broader point though - if there are no absolutes, if it's possible for someone to "feel" they are black or white when most people would view them as white or black, is that self identification legitimate? I think it might have to be really. Think about it if it was an ordinary person in the street. If they say they are something, would you argue? A black painter and decorator lived round the corner from me where I grew up - he used to call other black people n****** and say "I'm not black, I'm British." It didn't make any sense to anyone but nobody really argued.
 
Well hang on, and again its difficult to know what to believe, but according to the (very sympathetic) Guardian article didn't she begin to talk of herself as black quite a while after she began to be treated as black?

And stepping back a bit from the individual case, are we saying that whatever process might have led someone to believe themselves to be black, that this is always deliberate cultural appropriation and should be simplistically condemned?

She is completely full of mad dogs shite and anyone even humouring her wankology is almost as bad
 
The cultural appropriation angle is a total red herring. It's about two things for me - lying and affirming the colour line. The latter is where the comparison with other cases where people seek to bring out the social construction of various things falls down. She has done the opposite. For her race is very real in every sense and needs to be imposed, enforced and policed.

And quelle surprise she is the self appointed screw
 
wasn't sure what was the best thread for this article by Asad Haider, so I'll stick it on here, I think it's worth a read though I'm not sure I followed it all.
Perhaps it’s our nostalgia for the mass organizations of the 1960s and 1970s that prevents us facing our contemporary reality. For intellectuals seeking a way of being political in the absence of such organizations, passing is an understandable temptation. Strange as it may seem, Rachel Dolezal could actually be the typical case: she exemplifies the consequences of reducing politics to identity performances, in which positioning oneself as marginal is the recognized procedure of becoming-political. Contemporary intellectuals “of color” who substitute identity for politics are repeating LeRoi Jones’s initial disavowal of his white milieu and the white selfhood that it fostered. For first-generation college students who feel the daily ambivalence of leaving behind their neighborhoods in favor of upward mobility, or faculty who hide their class positions behind their skin tones, identity politics appears as a peculiar introjection of white guilt
anyway, I think you all might be interested.
 
wasn't sure what was the best thread for this article by Asad Haider, so I'll stick it on here, I think it's worth a read though I'm not sure I followed it all.

anyway, I think you all might be interested.

Interesting article. Apart from the small part you have quoted does anything else stand out for you?
 
Interesting article. Apart from the small part you have quoted does anything else stand out for you?
yes, what he described of the development of Amiri Baraka's (who I've not heard of before) politics, and also the limits or inherent problems of what he calls cultural nationalism. I thought his efforts to draw the history of the politics he's criticising are also quite important too. There's a tendency sometimes I feel for critics of identity politics to behave as though it is some sort of alien development cooked up by students when it's actually drawing on fairly deep roots and with concrete reasons of how and why it has developed the way it has. So I think that's very worthwhile.

I have to say I did like his short dismissal of the debate about trigger warnings which I too think are treated out of all proportion a lot of the time. There are much bigger problems as Haider points out with education around austerity etc but for right wing critics at least they seem not to matter nearly so much, strangely.

The piece also links in with things I have read by people like Adolph Reed jr & Walter Benn Michaels on identity and class etc. I've seen them referred to a number of times on here and Reed in particular I really rate highly. I recently read a very thoughtful little book by Kenneth W. Warren called What Was African American Literature and it treads some similar ground but also demonstrates again that these kinds of debates have been going on a long time. He talks about the Harlem Renaissance and Jim Crow and so on, and how African American writers of that time dealt with questions of identity shaped by these circumstances, but also how this could obscure class. I'll just quote a little bit:
But as was the case at the dawn of the Jim Crow era, the impulse to call upon men and women of letters to step into the vanguard of social justice movements is symptomatic of larger inequalities.
And I think this has significance in relation to Haider's piece.

I suppose the article has some resonance for me too because of my own experiences of intersectionality/identity. I'm not university educated and tend to mainly steer clear of it on the internet so I've not come into contact with it too much but where I have it has generally been pretty alienating for me. Even where I could be classed as part of this or that identity group it has seemed like it is a politics designed to reinforce middle class dominance of these movements and to conceal differences of interests and experiences under the umbrella of identity and thereby facilitates more particular interests. If that makes sense. Anyway, I won't go in to that too much as I have the feeling I'm already rambling on a bit...

One weakness of it was maybe that it was too student focused. Haider is I think some sort of professor or teacher so I suppose its what he knows and perhaps where the form of politics he's discussing is most common, but I did wonder how much it really is obstructing action. In as much as my impression is that back when student politics was more 'universalist' or at least more heavily influenced by the labour movement and socialist/communist politics generally, they probably wasted a smiliar amount of time wrangling over obscure terminology and processes and all that. Part of that at least is likely to be in the nature of student politics.

So anyway, although he's talking in a context I'm pretty unfamiliar with, these are questions that have got to be grappled with and I thought his was a good contribution to the debate. I'm feeling a bit fuzzy in the head today and I seem to have written an awful lot which usually doesn't bode well but hopefully it's not all nonsense :)
 
Noting really to add except this article, which brings this fascinating story up to date a bit...

Rachel Dolezal: ‘I’m not going to stoop and apologise and grovel’

Making all due allowances for the fact that its based on her version of events it's a very interesting interview/profile.

It appears to clear up the question of how she came to be outed. At the time she claimed that this was her estranged and dysfunctional family taking revenge. It was also reported that a private investigator had briefed journalists off the record although not who they had been employed by. It seems this was indeed the Spokane police department because of her activities as a member of the newly created Oversight Commission for the local Police Ombudsman.

But in spring 2015, the Spokane police chief wearied of his troublesome ombudsman chair, and hired a private investigator to dig around for dirt. The PI knocked on Larry and Ruthanne’s door in Montana. All it took was a few words and old family photographs, and the chief was rid of his irritant at a stroke.
 
Has she used the word trans in relation to herself? has she, in fact, made any of the arguments about 'feeling black' etc that may serve as a useful comparison with transgender? ...

No. ... It's only a matter of time until someone does, though.

She has now:
“I do think a more complex label would be helpful, but we don’t really have that vocabulary. I feel like the idea of being trans-black would be much more accurate than ‘I’m white’. Because you know, I’m not white. There is a black side and a white side on all kinds of issues, whether it’s political, social, cultural. There’s a perspective, there’s a mentality, there’s a culture. To say that I’m black is to say, this is how I see the world, this is the philosophy, the history, this is what I love and what I honour. Calling myself black feels more accurate than saying I’m white.”

Rachel Dolezal: ‘I’m not going to stoop and apologise and grovel’
 
Making all due allowances for the fact that its based on her version of events it's a very interesting interview/profile.

It appears to clear up the question of how she came to be outed. At the time she claimed that this was her estranged and dysfunctional family taking revenge. It was also reported that a private investigator had briefed journalists off the record although not who they had been employed by. It seems this was indeed the Spokane police department because of her activities as a member of the newly created Oversight Commission for the local Police Ombudsman.

It is definitely another side to it. The whole situation is so weird, and says a lot both about the culture of American liberalism and perhaps even more about her own mental state, but if she was an ineffective activist then no one would have bothered to go after her in the first place.
 
It is definitely another side to it. The whole situation is so weird, and says a lot both about the culture of American liberalism and perhaps even more about her own mental state, but if she was an ineffective activist then no one would have bothered to go after her in the first place.
Yeah, and the fact that there'd have been nothing like this furore had she been ineffectual but 'authentic' says a lot about identity politics.
 
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It is definitely another side to it. The whole situation is so weird, and says a lot both about the culture of American liberalism and perhaps even more about her own mental state, but if she was an ineffective activist then no one would have bothered to go after her in the first place.

Part of the weirdness of this is that she sort out positions of power/spokeperson. She put herself in the limelight, she wanted that attention/kudos. It was part of the deception.
 
That's illogical. Because there would have been nothing of this furore if she had been authentic.

Exactly. Also the use of the 'trans-racial' excuse for her deception isn't new either. It was there inmany of the articles/interviews that appeared once she had been found out.
 
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That is a very interesting interview. I think this growth of the idea of Trans-ness into Race was inevitable, because Race is as much of a social construct as Gender. We'd have to be be naive to think it won't continue to grow. Nowadays, we .. those of us privileged enough to, at least .. live in a world of avatars, where you can be what you want online. I think people will be looking to apply that freedom of identity in meat space more and more frequently.
 
Exactly. Also the use of the 'trans-racial' excuse for her deception isn't new either. It was there inmany of the articles/interviews that appeared once she had been found out.

This is the first instance of her claiming it, to my knowledge.
 
It's not her identity, but her deception that is the problem.

That's the same argument that's (wrongly, in my opnion) deployed against trans women, though.

I know this is different; instinctively, I consider trans women to be women, whereas I dont consider her to be black.

But I confess to being at a loss as to why I think the two aren't analagous.
 
That's the same argument that's (wrongly, in my opnion) deployed against trans women, though.

I know this is different; instinctively, I consider trans women to be women, whereas I dont consider her to be black.

But I confess to being at a loss as to why I think the two aren't analagous.
Nothing is true. Everything is permitted?
 
She definitely claimed it before. Here's a guardian article from June 2015 quoting RD claiming that. Rachel Dolezal's definition of 'transracial' isn't just wrong, it's destructive | Syreeta McFadden

Thanks. I don't remember seeing that before.

Back in January 2015, Butchersapron made the point that she'd not claimed transracialism; I said it was only a matter of time. Seeing yesterday's article reminded me of that. Little did I know my prediction had come true a long time earlier!
 
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Thanks. I don't remember seeing that before.

Back in January 2015, Butchersapron made the point that she'd not claimed transracialism; I said it was only a matter of time. Seeing yesterday's article reminded me of that. Little did I know my prediction had come true a long time earlier!

January 2015? Pretty sure that's just a typo? This only kicked off in the June. She claimed it almost immediately.
 
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