White civil rights leader has pretended to be black for years

[strung out]

You are missing my point or maybe i'm being unclear.....It probably (imo) doesn't matter to anyone how they identify, in fact other people may not be aware at all how an individual identifys, regardless the person is likely to be treated differently (better, worse) based on assumption , prejudice, racism dependent on how they are perceived by those in power , in the majority.
Also strung out surely one can be white and Malaysian in the same way one can be white and Jamacian or Black and Scottish.....but that is not what we are talking about is it?

I was disagreeing with your point that it makes no difference how you identify yourself, and that it's all about how you are perceived by others. My wife often passes as white, despite being mixed race white/Chinese, but that doesn't mean that she does not or cannot suffer from things like institutional racism, systemic racism and associated racial injustices enacted upon the community of which she is a part.

 

[Athos]

It probably (imo) doesn't matter to anyone how they identify, in fact other people may not be aware at all how an individual identifys, regardless the person is likely to be treated differently (better, worse) based on assumption , prejudice, racism dependent on how they are perceived by those in power , in the majority.

Might it matter if the way they present (and, consequently, how they are perceived) is affected by how they identify?

 

[scifisam]

"Passing" takes/took many forms. This wiki article is all over the place but it contains plenty of examples of many possible variations from history and the arts.

Passing (racial identity) - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

The much maligned Rachel Donaziel would probably have been sent to the back of the bus in Montgomery AL in 1955, and it's difficult to maintain that she's strictly speaking in disguise in this photo.
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You don't think a perm, hair dye and fake tan are a disguise?

 

[kalidarkone]

Might it matter if the way they present (and, consequently, how they are perceived) is affected by how they identify?

Could you unpack that a bit please? An example would be helpful.

 

[Athos]

Could you unpack that a bit please? An example would be helpful.

Someone who identifies as black, and so is motivated to present that way e.g. darkening their skin, a tight perm, accent, etc., is more likely to be perceived as black. Like Dolezal.

 

[SpackleFrog]

It made a difference because they were perceived as being black - which was their intention.
Back to your original question.....How does someone black identify as white? Do you have any examples?

I met an older lady in South Africa who was designated white by the old Apartheid authorities. She was furious as she considered herself 'coloured' and demanded they change her designation on official records.

 

[SpackleFrog]

You don't think a perm, hair dye and fake tan are a disguise?

Most of the time they are definitely not to be fair.

 

[scifisam]

Most of the time they are definitely not to be fair.

True! But in this case, especially with that specific hairstyle, they definitely are.

 

[Doodler]

A US grad student activist confesses to not being a Person of Color after all:

CNN link

Maybe all these US academics pretending to be black could form a sort of singing and dancing troupe. There's enough of them and am pretty sure it's never been tried before.

 

[nogojones]

How much of this is people gaming the system to get a role/job, compared to wanting to be involved in the fight against racism, and somehow deciding that pretending to be black gives them more moral authority? I sort of feel there's a crossover in these beliefs and it comes from the rabbithole of ID politics being the main driving force in someones beliefs.

I used to work with a woman who would regularly complain that she was the most oppressed person in the office as she was a woman and gay - fair enough. One day she came in and proudly told us that she now believed her birth mother was Greek "I always knew I was black. I'm even more oppressed now! - Don't you dare oppress me!" She felt that she now had full house in some sort of oppression bingo and trumped the other gay people, women, black and asian people in the office.

She was a bit nuts mind and would come in some days screaming at us all for perceved slights, then the next day telling us how she chanted all night for us because of her love {she was some sort of western hippy buddist). We were all pretty relieved when she left and I hide behind the shelves if I see her in the shop.

 

[zedr]

i honestly don't know how I feel about people in general getting fired for having onlyfans accounts. but Rachel Dolezal (now Nkechi Diallo, fucking helllllll) had it on her public instagram account which is just so rookie I don't have any sympathy.

e2a i didnt know she changed her name to Nkechi Diallo in 2016. christ.

Teacher formerly known as Rachel Dolezal loses job over OnlyFans account

Dolezal, a white woman who identified as Black for years and later changed her name to Nkechi Diallo, fired in Arizona

www.theguardian.com

 

[kebabking]

There's probably a very interesting deep dive into the politics, the socio-economics, the personal/psychological/emotional drivers and effects of this whole story, but I'm still on open-mouthed train wreck reaction....

 

[skyscraper101]

I hope she said "Is it coz I is black" when she got fired.

 

[A380]

Its a very sad personal story.

 

[Sasaferrato]

I hope she said "Is it coz I is black" when she got fired.

More like 'Is it coz I said I was black and I isn't'?

For quite some time, anything which enquires about my ethnicity gets answered as 'pink'. I'm only white if I'm unwell.

 

[PTK]

Her Wikipedia page is quite interesting.

It seems to me that the difference between "race" and culture is in some ways like the difference between sex and gender.

 

[pbsmooth]

Sometimes I feel like I’m the only person left who isn’t sharing pictures of their arse hole on the internet.

 

[Throbbing Angel]

Sometimes I feel like I’m the only person left who isn’t sharing pictures of their arse hole on the internet.

That's two of us!

So we're part of a minority, I suppose.

Anyway, whilst I'm here, my ca$hspp is ThrobbingFootFest
My new OF, same name

 

[MickiQ]

Sometimes I feel like I’m the only person left who isn’t sharing pictures of their arse hole on the internet.

The fascinating bit of that was the paragraph at the bottom. If you're one of the top ones getting $4-5m a year then I can understand the appeal of doing it for a year then jacking it in to live off your moolah but if you're on the average of $150 a month why bother, surely a few extra shifts at Tesco's is a more profitable use of your time.

 

[kalidarkone]

The fascinating bit of that was the paragraph at the bottom. If you're one of the top ones getting $4-5m a year then I can understand the appeal of doing it for a year then jacking it in to live off your moolah but if you're on the average of $150 a month why bother, surely a few extra shifts at Tesco's is a more profitable use of your time.

I imagine being on only fans provides more of a dopamine hit then working at Tesco.

 

[NoXion]

I imagine being on only fans provides more of a dopamine hit then working at Tesco.

Makes me wonder how much of the fragile masculine rage directed against female OnlyFans creators is based on jealousy.

 

[Monkeygrinder's Organ]

The fascinating bit of that was the paragraph at the bottom. If you're one of the top ones getting $4-5m a year then I can understand the appeal of doing it for a year then jacking it in to live off your moolah but if you're on the average of $150 a month why bother, surely a few extra shifts at Tesco's is a more profitable use of your time.

I guess that the extra shifts at Tesco are never going to be worth any more but you can always hope to be one of the millionaire ones on OnlyFans?

 

[MickiQ]

Makes me wonder how much of the fragile masculine rage directed against female OnlyFans creators is based on jealousy.

I don't know about jealousy of success but I would imagine they attract far more than their share of obsessive nutters.

 

[nogojones]

I guess that the extra shifts at Tesco are never going to be worth any more but you can always hope to be one of the millionaire ones on OnlyFans?

Maybe if you start pocketing the scratchcards

 

[8ball]

Makes me wonder how much of the fragile masculine rage directed against female OnlyFans creators is based on jealousy.

I thought it was mostly about wanking.

 

[Magnus McGinty]

I wonder how much it would cost to buy this kind of exposure for an OF channel.

 

[NoXion]

I thought it was mostly about wanking.

It can be about that too. There's a segment of terminally online misogynists who point fingers of condemnation with one hand while holding their dicks with the other.

 

[Magnus McGinty]

Incels.

 

[andysays]

I wonder how much it would cost to buy this kind of exposure for an OF channel.

Asking for a friend?