White civil rights leader has pretended to be black for years

[extra dry]

Has this uni in America just open a pandorian style box, never heard of safe spaces for non-POC folk?

Non-POC Cafe

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[Marty1]

Has this uni in America just open a pandorian style box, never heard of safe spaces for non-POC folk?

Non-POC Cafe

The Non-POC (People Of Color) Cafe is a space for students that do not identify as persons of color to gather and to discuss their experience as students on campus and as non-POC in the world. Feel free to drop in and discuss your experiences as non-persons of color and hopefully brainstorm...

umdearborn.edu

Could a black student attend if they didn’t identify as a POC?

 

[Santino]

Could a black student attend if they didn’t identify as a POC?

Have you ever considered just fucking off?

 

[Treacle Toes]

Could a black student attend if they didn’t identify as a POC?

FFS

 

[Marty1]

FFS

It’s a valid question regarding whether ‘trans-racial’ is recognised - read upthread for reference.

 

[belboid]

It’s a valid question regarding whether ‘trans-racial’ is recognised - read upthread for reference.

No it isn't. Go away.

 

[kalidarkone]

It’s a valid question regarding whether ‘trans-racial’ is recognised - read upthread for reference.

When it comes to race it makes no difference how you identify yourself cus its all about how you are perceived by others in power hence racial inequalities....How can you not get that? Oh wait a minute.....trolling like a cunt....

 

[eatmorecheese]

Could a black student attend if they didn’t identify as a POC?

 

[Marty1]

When it comes to race it makes no difference how you identify yourself cus its all about how you are perceived by others in power hence racial inequalities.

It certainly seems to make a considerable difference to Rachel Dolezal, Shaun King and Nuka Zeus and I’m sure many others.

 

[belboid]

It certainly seems to make a considerable difference to Rachel Dolezal, Shaun King and Nuka Zeus and I’m sure many others.

what is it about 'fuck off you far right troll' you dont understand?

 

[Athos]

It certainly seems to make a considerable difference to Rachel Dolezal, Shaun King and Nuka Zeus and I’m sure many others.

A handful of deluded bullshitters.

 

[kalidarkone]

It certainly seems to make a considerable difference to Rachel Dolezal, Shaun King and Nuka Zeus and I’m sure many others.

It made a difference because they were perceived as being black - which was their intention.
Back to your original question.....How does someone black identify as white? Do you have any examples?

 

[Marty1]

It made a difference because they were perceived as being black - which was their intention.
Back to your original question.....How does someone black identify as white? Do you have any examples?

Treasure Richards may be an example.

 

[IC3D]

There is an example of this in the movie White Chicks kalidarkone

 

[equationgirl]

One of my great great great grandfathers seems to have been a foundling of some kind, he appears on a census as a small child on a farm in Fife, with his supposed parents being too old to have had a child of that age by that point.

It's a while since I've looked into it, but I have a feeling that you can only go back so far with the digital databases, beyond that and you're in physical parish records territory certainly in Scotland.

 

[Athos]

One of my great great great grandfathers seems to have been a foundling of some kind, he appears on a census as a small child on a farm in Fife, with his supposed parents being too old to have had a child of that age by that point.

It's a while since I've looked into it, but I have a feeling that you can only go back so far with the digital databases, beyond that and you're in physical parish records territory certainly in Scotland.

Did he have an unmarried older sister? Often, their illegitimate children were raised by grandparents posing as parents. My grandmother revealed to my mother in her deathbed that the man my mother thought was her uncle was actually her brother.

 

[Reno]

There is an example of this in the movie White Chicks kalidarkone

Light skinned black characters passing for white was a bit of a trope in classic Hollywood films, no doubt based in fact.

There are two film versions of Imitation of Life (1934 & 1959) and three versions of Show Boat (1929, 1936 & 1951) all of which feature characters who are young black women passing for white. There also is John Cassavetes' Shadows (1959), one of the foundation films of US independent cinema, which is about a young black woman who gets dumped by her white lover, once he finds out she is black.

All a lot more worthwhile than White Chicks.

 

[IC3D]

Impressive Reno you have made an interesting post from that. Hats off.

 

[Athos]

How you're perceived depends on how you present, which, in turn, can depend on how you 'identify.'

 

[Sue]

Light skinned black characters passing for white was a bit of a trope in classic Hollywood films, no doubt based in fact.

There are two film versions of Imitation of Life (1934 & 1959) and three versions of Showboat (1929, 1936 & 1951) all of which feature characters who are young black women passing for white. There also is John Cassavetes' Shadows (1959), one of the foundation films of US independent cinema, which is about a young black woman who gets dumped by her white lover, once he finds out she is black.

All a lot more worthwhile than White Chicks.

I remember seeing Showboat as a kid and being very, very confused about why it mattered/anyone cared...

 

[strung out]

When it comes to race it makes no difference how you identify yourself cus its all about how you are perceived by others in power hence racial inequalities....How can you not get that? Oh wait a minute.....trolling like a cunt....

I'd disagree that it's all about how you are perceived by others.

My wife is mixed race British-Malaysian (white father, Chinese-Malaysian mother), has a very British sounding name, and often passes for white. Nevertheless, she feels far more culturally connected to her Chinese Malaysian identity, due to being primarily raised by her mother, travelling the world following her father, who got posted to various countries in South America and South-East Asia. She is often perceived as white, but that doesn't make her feel any less Chinese Malaysian, or identify any less with the struggles of the community she considers herself part of.

Don't disagree with your last comment about Marty1 though.

 

[JuanTwoThree]

"Passing" takes/took many forms. This wiki article is all over the place but it contains plenty of examples of many possible variations from history and the arts.

Passing (racial identity) - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

How you're perceived depends on how you present, which, in turn, can depend on how you 'identify.'

The much maligned Rachel Donaziel would probably have been sent to the back of the bus in Montgomery AL in 1955, and it's difficult to maintain that she's strictly speaking in disguise in this photo.

 

[Athos]

The much maligned Rachel Donaziel would probably have been sent to the back of the bus in Montgomery AL in 1955, and it's difficult to maintain that she's strictly speaking in disguise in this photo.
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Which maybe says something about how fine and arbitrary the distictions sometimes are. I guess people would imagine from her apparent phenotype that she had, say, one black grandparent (which, under the 'one drop' classification would mean she was black).

 

[Yossarian]

The much maligned Rachel Donaziel would probably have been sent to the back of the bus in Montgomery AL in 1955

Not if she looked like this.

 

[Combustible]

My wife is mixed race British-Malaysian (white father, Chinese-Malaysian mother), has a very British sounding name, and often passes for white. Nevertheless, she feels far more culturally connected to her Chinese Malaysian identity, due to being primarily raised by her mother, travelling the world following her father, who got posted to various countries in South America and South-East Asia.

I think it's better not to conflate a national or ethnic group, which people may choose to identify with, and race which is a concept imposed on people by the practice of racism. That of course doesn't mean that people do not experience racism due to their identification with a particular group.

 

[kalidarkone]

There is an example of this in the movie White Chicks kalidarkone

I dont consider that a real example.

 

[strung out]

I think it's better not to conflate a national or ethnic group, which people may choose to identify with, and race which is a concept imposed on people by the practice of racism. That of course doesn't mean that people do not experience racism due to their identification with a particular group.

My wife doesn't choose to identify with being Chinese. She is Chinese.

 

[kalidarkone]

I'd disagree that it's all about how you are perceived by others.

My wife is mixed race British-Malaysian (white father, Chinese-Malaysian mother), has a very British sounding name, and often passes for white. Nevertheless, she feels far more culturally connected to her Chinese Malaysian identity, due to being primarily raised by her mother, travelling the world following her father, who got posted to various countries in South America and South-East Asia. She is often perceived as white, but that doesn't make her feel any less Chinese Malaysian, or identify any less with the struggles of the community she considers herself part of.

Don't disagree with your last comment about Marty1 though.

You are missing my point or maybe i'm being unclear.....It probably (imo) doesn't matter to anyone how they identify, in fact other people may not be aware at all how an individual identifys, regardless the person is likely to be treated differently (better, worse) based on assumption , prejudice, racism dependent on how they are perceived by those in power , in the majority.
Also strung out surely one can be white and Malaysian in the same way one can be white and Jamacian or Black and Scottish.....but that is not what we are talking about is it?

 

[Combustible]

My wife doesn't choose to identify with being Chinese. She is Chinese.

Choose was the wrong word, but nevertheless identifying with an ethnic group is a different concept from race.

 

[Athos]

Choose was the wrong word, but nevertheless identifying with an ethnic group is a different concept from race.

Is it really that clear-cut? If someone "identifies with", say, 'Black British', are they identifying with an ethnicity, a race, a nationality, or none, some or all of those things?