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8ball said:
But in that sense anyone's history is interesting (and I agree about the illumination of everyday people's history as opposed to the way things are often taught with respect to 'great figures', kings and queens and the like). People get very specifically interested in their ancestry in terms of their direct lineage, though. There's a psychological need involved that not everyone has (or not everyone channels in this way).

It seems like people are often looking to find out something about themselves.
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Hence the title for that dreadful tv show 'Who do you think you are?' So much wrongness packaged up in such a small group of words.
 
Teaboy said:
Just so everyone knows. All those people from way back who you think you're related to you''re not. Well, not by blood anyway. Every single family has crazy amounts of illegitimate children in the family tree and you normally don't even have to go that far back to find it.
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Not just illegitimate, cuckolding as well. Only uncoverable via DNA tests.
 
littlebabyjesus said:
Well the term 'illegitimate' isn't unproblematic. A child with a dad who isn't the real dad but thinks he is and is married to the mother isn't an illegitimate child

Point being that DNA studies have shown that this happens a lot.
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When studying this stuff in Uni the lecturer mentioned that if representative, this would have applied to 12 of the students in the room (I may be a little off with the number).
There are also things like the informal adoptions that occurred in the case of teenage pregnancies that obscure the relations.
 
8ball said:
When studying this stuff in Uni the lecturer mentioned that if representative, this would have applied to 12 of the students in the room (I may be a little off with the number).
There are also things like the informal adoptions that occurred in the case of teenage pregnancies.
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Yes of course there are also the cases where the man knows he is not the biological dad but the child is never told.

Think that's the main bit here - that the child does not know.
 
killer b said:
the idea that family is something that's defined by DNA is a bit gross tbh
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Absolutely, which was my point. My dad was adopted as a baby. Its just when the people proudly tell you who they are related to all those years back I just wonder what that means? Everyone is apparently related to Longshanks it would seem, its so fucking boring. What actually does any of it mean and what is its purpose?
 
Teaboy said:
Absolutely, which was my point. My dad was adopted as a baby. Its just when the people proudly tell you who they are related to all those years back I just wonder what that means? Everyone is apparently related to Longshanks it would seem, its so fucking boring. What actually does any of it mean and what is its purpose?
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I think it can be meaningful and important to some and not to others and that's great isn't it, it's all part of us being different surely? As I get older I think knowing something about my distant relatives and where they were from, and a bit about their lives, and where I'm connected to historically is of interest, whereas in my 20s I couldn't have cared less. Something something ... sense of mortality and belonging ... fear of death ... etc.
 
LynnDoyleCooper said:
I think it can be meaningful and important to some and not to others and that's great isn't it, it's all part of us being different surely? As I get older I think knowing something about my distant relatives and where they were from, and a bit about their lives, and where I'm connected to historically is of interest, whereas in my 20s I couldn't have cared less. Something something ... sense of mortality and belonging ... fear of death ... etc.
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Sure, when it's good it's harmless fun. When its bad its utterly toxic.
 
Someone in my indirect ancestors who was born in 1814 wrote their memoirs, which are quite a good read, and I decided to put them online. As part of this, I did some digging around so I could find and take photos of some of the locations involved, which were all in London.

I've found it almost impossible to disabuse my family since of the idea that I'm interested in family history. I'm really not. Like some others, I don't think it tells me anything particularly useful about who I am personally. I was much more interested in the social and local history elements of the memoirs.

It could be argued though that that's white privilege.
 
Teaboy said:
Absolutely, which was my point. My dad was adopted as a baby. Its just when the people proudly tell you who they are related to all those years back I just wonder what that means? Everyone is apparently related to Longshanks it would seem, its so fucking boring. What actually does any of it mean and what is its purpose?
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Family means a lot more than genetic links - I think everyone accepts that. It's just that this thread is directly related to false ancestry claims.
 
RubyToogood said:
Someone in my indirect ancestors who was born in 1814 wrote their memoirs, which are quite a good read, and I decided to put them online. As part of this, I did some digging around so I could find and take photos of some of the locations involved, which were all in London.

I've found it almost impossible to disabuse my family since of the idea that I'm interested in family history. I'm really not. Like some others, I don't think it tells me anything particularly useful about who I am personally. I was much more interested in the social and local history elements of the memoirs.

It could be argued though that that's white privilege.
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Psychogenealogy seems like a perfectly reasonable activity.
 
It's quite fun watching racial purity types discovering they are not pure blood 😀.
But apart from that and mocking yanks who claim they are 1/5th irish 2/5 German 2/5 native American 🙄 nah mate your a you a Yank 😄.
Whined he was from the south and he found the term yank offensive.
Whatever you say Sherman 😈
 
8ball said:
That is a kind of batshit that is totally new to me. Every day’s a school day.
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I just invented it, though I expect someone else has thought of it before because this is the internet. But having a wander through your family tree and using it as a prompt to highlight interesting bits of history sounds fine, rather than actually giving a shit about who begat who.

I'm quite interested in the history of the Scottish side of my family for instance, but on the basis that there's some interesting social and political stuff there and it gives you a starting point. I'm unlikely to uncover documents with the location of the Magic Claymore of Clan Fridge.
 
FridgeMagnet said:
I just invented it, though I expect someone else has thought of it before because this is the internet. But having a wander through your family tree and using it as a prompt to highlight interesting bits of history sounds fine, rather than actually giving a shit about who begat who.

I'm quite interested in the history of the Scottish side of my family for instance, but on the basis that there's some interesting social and political stuff there and it gives you a starting point. I'm unlikely to uncover documents with the location of the Magic Claymore of Clan Fridge.
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I think you need to actually google Psychogenealogy. :D
 
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