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White civil rights leader has pretended to be black for years

As a hugely typical Brit- that is, a mix of Argentinian, Armenian, Irish and English, I admit to a very flexible sense of identity, much of which also depends on context. Adding in the various ethnicities of my children's father's, we make a very mixed bunch indeed, hence the rise in popularity of genetic testing services such as 23 and me. I like to use the phrase 'hybrid vigour' quite often (and not just in a horticultural sense).
 
campanula said:
As a hugely typical Brit- that is, a mix of Argentinian, Armenian, Irish and English, I admit to a very flexible sense of identity, much of which also depends on context. Adding in the various ethnicities of my children's father's, we make a very mixed bunch indeed, hence the rise in popularity of genetic testing services such as 23 and me. I like to use the phrase 'hybrid vigour' quite often (and not just in a horticultural sense).
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Having checked out 23 and me's website, they make me a bit :hmm:
 
its weird the way operah seems to be americas televised confession booth for celebs and figures of this months infamy with kindly oprah and the audience in role of priest. \off topic
 
muscovyduck said:
I'm gonna guess this will open the floodgates, can't just be these two.
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I don't want to get away from the specificity of what Dolezal, (and it would appear this other woman), has done - the spurious claim to an ethnic identity - but in a more general sense what she's done is not all that uncommon.

I've certainly encountered my share of bullshit merchants with 'enhanced' identities of different kinds. (Including, hilariously, one or two who've used their refurbished 'authenticity' as a platform to launch ferocious attacks on identity politics).

At another level entirely, in the nexus between the lower levels of academia, the voluntary sector and activism I've encountered several 'competence tricksters' - people who've established 'professional identities' and reputations through building a portfolio of part time, unpaid and temporary positions, garnished with generous helpings of bullshit, just as Dolezal seems to have done, attempting to move from one notch on the CV to another fast enough to avoid being caught out, or be blamed for the consequences of their actions. (At least, unlike the worst examples of such people, Dolezal doesn't seem to have used her 'experience' and 'professional identity' to cynically market herself as an expert in 'restructuring' the sectors she moved in. Although I guess there's still time). Using a bogus claim to an ethnic identity in such a context obviously crosses a line, but it's a lie on top of a shitload of other lies and of other crossed lines.

So yeah, there are plenty of people operating on the basis of equally bogus claims about their 'identities', even if the nature of the claims made aren't the same.
 
8ball said:
Having checked out 23 and me's website, they make me a bit :hmm:
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Yeah, I had never heard of them until one of my dog-walking group (with a daughter with ME) mentioned them...and since practically every US citizen likes to claim distant ancestry with the Cherokee nation (but only Cherokees for some reason), these DNA testing firms have been doing a storming trade - although there has been much heartache when various layers of less socially sanctified ethnic connections appear in the mix.
 
campanula said:
Yeah, I had never heard of them until one of my dog-walking group (with a daughter with ME) mentioned them...and since practically every US citizen likes to claim distant ancestry with the Cherokee nation (but only Cherokees for some reason), these DNA testing firms have been doing a storming trade - although there has been much heartache when various layers of less socially sanctified ethnic connections appear in the mix.
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An old American friend of mine is part Cree, I think.
Is there a reason why Cherokee is such a popular bit of 'lifestyle DNA'?
 
butchersapron said:
Disgusting racist stuff basically. The fields (who i keep on about) take this crap apart in their Racecraft book.
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I've caught up with what you meant earlier now - would be a little easier if you'd capitalise the 'f'... ;)

Actually, looking back, it was a different thread where you confused me a bit.
 
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8ball said:
An old American friend of mine is part Cree, I think.
Is there a reason why Cherokee is such a popular bit of 'lifestyle DNA'?
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The Cherokee were one of the five 'civilized tribes' that were forcibly relocated from the American southeast to what is now Oklahoma. The "Trail of Tears" is one of the worst singular events ever inflicted upon Native peoples by the U.S. government. The Cherokee also did everything they could to placate and demonstrate their worth to the white man and completely reorganized their society to emulate the U.S. They developed the Sequoia Script for their language, held elections, established a supreme court for their territory, even owned African slaves. In the end all their compromises weren't enough and they were still extirpated from their lands. It's the one example that definitively disproves all the revisionist presentations of the American relationship to the indigenous peoples
 
Graymalkin said:
The Cherokee were one of the five 'civilized tribes' that were forcibly relocated from the American southeast to what is now Oklahoma. The "Trail of Tears" is one of the worst singular events ever inflicted upon Native peoples by the U.S. government. The Cherokee also did everything they could to placate and demonstrate their worth to the white man and completely reorganized their society to emulate the U.S. They developed the Sequoia Script for their language, held elections, established a supreme court for their territory, even owned African slaves. In the end all their compromises weren't enough and they were still extirpated from their lands. It's the one example that definitively disproves all the revisionist presentations of the American relationship to the indigenous peoples
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Thanks - I'd read some of that in the intro to Bury My Heart At Wounded Knee, but clearly needed the refresher.

Any reason why the other four 'civilised' tribes don't get name checked for favourable ancestry status?
 
Graymalkin said:
The Cherokee were one of the five 'civilized tribes' that were forcibly relocated from the American southeast to what is now Oklahoma. The "Trail of Tears" is one of the worst singular events ever inflicted upon Native peoples by the U.S. government. The Cherokee also did everything they could to placate and demonstrate their worth to the white man and completely reorganized their society to emulate the U.S. They developed the Sequoia Script for their language, held elections, established a supreme court for their territory, even owned African slaves. In the end all their compromises weren't enough and they were still extirpated from their lands. It's the one example that definitively disproves all the revisionist presentations of the American relationship to the indigenous peoples
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Interesting looking book just been published:

Jacksonland: President Andrew Jackson, Chief John Ross, and a Great American Land Grab

How Cherokee Territory Became the “Deep South”
 
8ball said:
Any reason why the other four 'civilised' tribes don't get name checked for favourable ancestry status?
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I'm not sure. They are apparently one of the largest recognized tribes in the U.S. and in Oklahoma make up just less than 10% of the population.
 
not sure there is anything new in it
bit about Vanity Fair interview
http://globalgrind.com/2015/07/20/rachel-dolezal-says-black-identity-is-not-a-costume/

“It’s taken my entire life to negotiate how to identify, and I’ve done a lot of research and a lot of studying,” she says. “I could have a long conversation, an academic conversation about that. I don’t know. I just feel like I didn’t mislead anybody; I didn’t deceive anybody. If people feel misled or deceived, then sorry that they feel that way, but I believe that’s more due to their definition and construct of race in their own minds than it is to my integrity or honesty, because I wouldn’t say I’m African American, but I would say I’m black, and there’s a difference in those terms.”
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Oh for flips bloody flipping hell flips sake . There's another one now . A punter by the name of Shaun king . One of this black lives matter guys . Yet again ....for added drama...there's a fantastic claim in his background that he suffered an horrendous racially motivated gang attack as a teenager by a dozen or more rednecks who ran him over and half killed him . That's starting to smell of pork too .

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nat...r-activist-shaun-king-white-article-1.2330658


The dude is white


shaun-king-cnn-screencap-640x480.jpg
 
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