White civil rights leader has pretended to be black for years

[MrSki]

What is the cancer thing?

I saw about this on facebook earlier, she'd also pretended to have had cancer.

 

[butchersapron]

“Rachel Dolezal dismisses the controversy as little more than an ugly by-product of contentious litigation between other family members over allegations of past abuse that has divided the family. She’s particularly suspicious of the timing, noting that the allegations broke on her son’s birthday and come as the Colorado lawsuit filed by her sister against their brother nears a key juncture.”

 

[Thora]

I am interested - though, in whether is is possible to be trans-racial, in the same way as transgender exists. In which case this wouldn't be a choice at all. But I've never heard of it.

Interesting point. Maybe she really feels like she's black, and it seems other people have treated her like she's black.

 

[butchersapron]

In the way that con men just really want to con people? And people seem to want to be conned?

 

[Treacle Toes]

yeh i've never heard this black man's woman bit. i feel i've missed out now.

That's perhaps because you are not a White woman in a relationship with a Black man. I'm not sure why you are making a joke about an offensive insult..but this you afterall. Poor you for missing out.

 

[Pickman's model]

That's perhaps because you are not a White woman in a relationship with a Black man. I'm not sure why you are making a joke about an offensive insult..but this you afterall. Poor you for missing out.

having known lots of white women in relationships with blackmen (and one or two with black women) i am surprised not to have come across this insult. btw which insults do you consider by contrast inoffensive?

 

[butchersapron]

I'm a panther:

 

[winifred]

That's perhaps because you are not a White woman in a relationship with a Black man. I'm not sure why you are making a joke about an offensive insult..but this you afterall. Poor you for missing out.

I'm not one for intentionally offending people or making racist remarks, so my apologies if I've offended you. I don't necessarily regard the phrase as racist, because an ex work colleague used to openly say it about her own longstanding relationship with a white guy.

 

[Citizen66]

That he was a black mans woman?

 

[butchersapron]

 

[Treacle Toes]

I'm not one for intentionally offending people or making racist remarks, so my apologies if I've offended you. I don't necessarily regard the phrase as racist, because an ex work colleague used to openly say it about her own longstanding relationship with a white guy.

That doesn't make sense unless she was changing it to 'BWM' and refering to her partner....which isn't what I said.

The offense is in how it is used. It was regularly thrown at White women as an insult, as if there were now sullied because they were with Black men. It smacks of misogyny too. It's about ownership.

 

[MrSki]

NAACP press release.

 

[butchersapron]

NAACP press release.

Bureaucratic back covering. Limit the issue to whether it's ok to be in the NAACP and white (of course it is,it always has been i believe). The NAACP don't even need to say anything here. If they are going to come under attack it's going to because of this woman. It's not about naacp 'leadership'.

 

[Treacle Toes]

Puts new meaning to the phrase, "once you go black, you never go back".

I've just realised you were probably refering to this post with what you wrote. I have heard this used by both Black and White people, in jest and to insult.

 

[MrSki]

Bureaucratic back covering. Limit the issue to whether it's ok to be in the NAACP and white (of course it is,it always has been i believe). The NAACP don't even need to say anything here. If they are going to come under attack it's going to because of this woman. It's not about naacp 'leadership'.

I read it that they are mentioning the family dispute & about respecting her privacy. They were going to have to say something considering the publicity received.

 

[butchersapron]

I read it that they are mentioning the family dispute & about respecting her privacy. They were going to have to say something considering the publicity received.

They're using what she offered as a desperate defence to say they are saying nothing when they just didn't need to say anything.

Here's some sense on this:

Ms Dolexal’s mother said: “It's very sad that Rachel has not just been herself. Her effectiveness in the causes of the African-American community would have been so much more viable, and she would have been more effective, if she had just been honest with everybody."

 

[PursuedByBears]

Anyone else thinking of Ali G?

 

[Miss Caphat]

Not sure how I feel about this myself, but what I do know is that this is a terrible time for this to come to light. The "liberal media is always race-baiting etc" camp has been very vocal lately and I'm cringing at the thought of the field day they're going to have with this story
(i.e. liberal white girl so intent on shaming her own race/ stirring up racial division she makes herself black)

 

[Celyn]

NAACP press release.

Quite clever, really. I've now taken time off being annoyed by that woman and am getting annoyed by the NAACP for apparently thinking that "criteria" is a singular noun.

Ah, the power of distraction.

 

[Pickman's model]

Quite clever, really. I've now taken time off being annoyed by that woman and am getting annoyed by the NAACP for apparently thinking that "criteria" is a singular noun.

Ah, the power of distraction.

good to see pedantry alive and well

 

[Miss Caphat]

It's kind of reminding me of that woman who led a 9/11 Committee of some sort (I'll find a link in a sec) by saying she lost her husband (?) but it turned out she didn't lose anyone at all Some kind of extreme and pathological... attention seeking?

edit: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alicia_Esteve_Head She claimed to be a survivor of the WTC

edit2: Buckaroo just said that, soz

but maybe also being very passionate about a cause but very misguided on how to approach it? and also internalized guilt/shame and fear that you won't be heard if you speak as yourself?

 

[winifred]

I've just realised you were probably refering to this post with what you wrote. I have heard this used by both Black and White people, in jest and to insult.

Rutita1, thanks for setting the record straight. For some reason, my screen display appeared to link my original post to your reply to Pickyman. Unless I was imagining it?

 

[butchersapron]

...and a liar taking advantage of lax bureaucracies for personal gain.

And white people have always been heard within the NAACP. That's a real dangerous road to go down.

 

[agricola]

edit: found via the Guardian's article

 

[Cribynkle]

Well, to an extent. If I might borrow an analogy from J. Cocker's seminal sociological treatise "Common People"...

"Still you'll never get it right / cos when you're laying in bed at night / watching roaches climb the walls / if you called your dad he could stop it all / yeah."

She might have constructed a black life and identity - and subsequently experienced oppression... but ultimately she has a privilege that black people do not - that if it all gets too much she can stop being black. So it isn't the same at all.

I am interested - though, in whether is is possible to be trans-racial, in the same way as transgender exists. In which case this wouldn't be a choice at all. But I've never heard of it.

I'm finding some of the feminism vs trans discussions happening at the moment quite interesting, I read This blog this morning which disparages transexualism by equating it to "trans-racialism" I don't agree with her arguments but found it an interesting POV

 

[Citizen66]

...and a liar taking advantage of lax bureaucracies for personal gain.

And white people have always been heard within the NAACP. That's a real dangerous road to go down.

She's a woman with a historical abuse case on the go. Feminist dilemma.

 

[Thimble Queen]

Horrible transphobic nastiness.

 

[Citizen66]

She's a woman with a historical abuse case on the go. Feminist dilemma.

Actually, scratch that, liberal dilemma probably covers it.

 

[Citizen66]

I don't think comparisons can be made between gender disphoria and racial disphoria (?). I don't want to touch on the former as we've done that thread recently but gender/sex is a thing. Race is a construct. If we're saying someone can be born the wrong race then it's to accept that race is a thing also and we might as well concede that racists were right all along.

 

[Thora]

How is gender a thing but race isn't?