White civil rights leader has pretended to be black for years

[Casually Red]

perhaps she'll get martin bashir

Please let it be Ali G

Please lord

 

[Monkeygrinder's Organ]

Interesting article on this stuff: http://www.commondreams.org/views/2015/06/15/jenner-dolezal-one-trans-good-other-not-so-much

 

[Wilf]

She may be anti racist against one section of society but there's been persistent claims she was inculcating deliberate racism into one of her adopted relatives . Which makes her a racist regardless of which race it is she encourages hatred against . Partisan hypocrisy doesn't make you anti racist , simply pro black . Or anti white . It's still racism regardless of which intersectional bollocking about gives it a rotten cloak of respectability .

Wouldn't disagree with that, fair enough. And yes, there's a decade or more of opportunism - 'I'm white, give me a teaching job', through to 'I'm black, stop harassing me' - its staggering and toxic. But, along the lines of the post I've just done, she also seems to have created a persona, part of which is to be involved in liberal equality projects with the naacp. According to local reports, or lack of them really, she seems to have performed that role in an okay fashion - but then as you say, whilst being racist. The whole thing is fucking weird.

 

[MochaSoul]

Think this interview with her has been quoted from but not linked to:
http://www.today.com/news/rachel-dolezal-speaks-today-show-matt-lauer-after-naacp-resignation-t26371

Interviewer asks most of the rights questions, but it's an easy ride with no real follow up.

I've got it paused and having waiting ages for it to load completely so I don't get the buffering pauses. I've already noticed though it's a white male interviewer... Of course, he's not going to be incisive enough. Media fail (again).

 

[Lurdan]

She may be anti racist against one section of society but there's been persistent claims she was inculcating deliberate racism into one of her adopted relatives .

Persistant claims emanating from the other side of what appears to be a dysfunctional family split, amongst other things, over claims of serious sexual abuse. Picking sides in such a situation is unwise even if you know the people slightly. Doing so in respect of total strangers is just stupid.

 

[Pickman's model]

I've got it paused and having waiting ages for it to load completely so I don't get the buffering pauses. I've already noticed though it's a white male interviewer... Of course, he's not going to be incisive enough. Media fail (again).

give yer man a chance, while it is unlikely he will forensically dissect her account let's give him the benefit of the doubt till you've watched it. incisive till proved crap, as well you know.

 

[Wilf]

I've got it paused and having waiting ages for it to load completely so I don't get the buffering pauses. I've already noticed though it's a white male interviewer... Of course, he's not going to be incisive enough. Media fail (again).

Yeah, it's interesting how she negotiates what should be really difficult questions about playing black. It would be more difficult if she was sat 3 feet away from a black female interviewer.

 

[MochaSoul]

give yer man a chance, while it is unlikely he will forensically dissect her account let's give him the benefit of the doubt till you've watched it. incisive till proved crap, as well you know.

I'd do a better job of it than what I've watched so far and I'm not American. He hasn't asked her "Black in what sense?" yet.

 

[Diamond]

i would not be surprised if many white people afflicted with jaundice had self-identified as being yellow.

Monolids and all?

 

[Casually Red]

Sean MacStiofan would be the nearest such case. . . but even he had an Irish connection:

Although he used the Gaelicised version of name in later life, Mac Stíofáin was born as John Edward Drayton Stephenson in Leytonstone, London in 1928. An only child, his father was an English solicitor's clerk, his mother was of Protestant Irish descent born in East Belfast.[1] He stated his mother had left an impression on him at the age of seven with her instruction:

"I'm Irish, therefore you're Irish....Don't forget it".[2]

His childhood was marred by his alcoholic, wife-beating father. His mother, who doted over her son, died when Mac Stíofáin was only 10. Mac Stíofáin attended Catholic schools, where he came into contact with pro-Sinn Féin Irish students.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seán_Mac_Stíofáin

So prods aren't Irish ? I'm not getting your point here . Ones mother must be of the " proper blood " to fit your narrow criteria of Irishness ? or an English parents impure blood cancels it out ?

I think you should expand on that a bit to see exactly what it is your saying . With the amount of poles , Lithuanians , Nigerians etc now intermarried what you seem to be saying would rule out citizenship for a hell of a lot of kids . Are they all plastics now ?

Feel free to correct me but it's the distinct impression I'm getting from your post .

Eta

You were slagging off Irish Americans earlier with some pretty generalised tropes too .

 

[MochaSoul]

I'd do a better job of it than what I've watched so far and I'm not American. He hasn't asked her "Black in what sense?" yet.

Or even "Black experience in what sense?"

 

[MochaSoul]

Yeah, it's interesting how she negotiates what should be really difficult questions about playing black. It would be more difficult if she was sat 3 feet away from a black female interviewer.

I mentioned Rachel Maddow earlier. She's white but she'd corner her from the get go.

 

[Wilf]

Or even "Black experience in what sense?"

Potential interviewer:


small print: I do not necessarily endorse the opinions expressed here.

 

[Casually Red]

He's as big a twat as she is .

 

[Wilf]

He's as big a twat as she is .

Certainly a twat with some of the things he said, having now heard the clip all the way through. I was just taken by his line of outright derision, which should be part of how we react to the case.

 

[8ball]

I wonder if anyone "white" has self-identified as being "yellow"?

I understand this chap self-identifies as "the purple one".

 

[Diamond]

I understand this chap self-identifies as "the purple one".

But he's so very small that that must make him a bellend, which is a terrible shame...

 

[MrSki]

But he's so very small that that must make him a bellend, which is a terrible shame...

Are you related?

 

[Pickman's model]

But he's so very small that that must make him a bellend, which is a terrible shame...

yeh cos you want to be the only bellend in these parts.

 

[Diamond]

Any other wise men want to pile in...?

 

[Pickman's model]

Are you related?

tafkap is talented. diamond isn't.

 

[Idris2002]

So prods aren't Irish ? I'm not getting your point here . Ones mother must be of the " proper blood " to fit your narrow criteria of Irishness ? or an English parents impure blood cancels it out ?

I think you should expand on that a bit to see exactly what it is your saying . With the amount of poles , Lithuanians , Nigerians etc now intermarried what you seem to be saying would rule out citizenship for a hell of a lot of kids . Are they all plastics now ?

Feel free to correct me but it's the distinct impression I'm getting from your post .

Eta

You were slagging off Irish Americans earlier with some pretty generalised tropes too .

I posted that because we were told in school that SMS "wasn't even Irish" - so I was surprised to discover that he did have a real Irish connection. So I can plead "not guilty" to what you are implying.

 

[Treacle Toes]

Here's one where she says her ex-husband made her 'act white'.
http://www.spokesman.com/stories/2015/jun/15/Rachel-dolezal-told-student-that-ex-husband/

Oh so it's her ex-husband's fault...it was him who made her deny her blackness...him a Black man, can't think why he might of been uncomfortable with her 'pretending' to be Black.

Ezra Dolezal told Buzzfeed News he first began to notice a change in his sister about six years ago, after she first moved to Spokane, when she increased the range of hair products she used. From 2011 she began applying make-up to her face to appear “darker and darker”, he said.

“She just told me, ‘Over here, I’m going to be considered black, and I have a black father. Don’t blow my cover’,” he said.

Another adopted brother, Zach Dolezal, told the Washington Post she had also told him not to refer to her white parents.

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/jun/13/rachel-dolezal-blackface-race-brother

Those pesky kids.

 

[MochaSoul]

Certainly a twat with some of the things he said, having now heard the clip all the way through. I was just taken by his line of outright derision, which should be part of how we react to the case.

My son is out going by from his exclusionary definitions of race but the colour of *my* skin has got him a spell or two of being picked on.
He reminds me though of a spell I had around 17 when I decided to go to Lisbon in search of a recognition in a metropolitan place where ex-colonial communities of refuges were concentrated only to find my accent was good enough reason for people who shared the colour of my skin to exclude me. It was only later that I worked out that in that case my accent (which I acquired from living from the age of 18 days among white Portuguese people) replaced colour of skin in an environment of deep resentment against the Portuguese.
The reductionism that comes from white supremacy is just one of the ways the system frames "us" and "them" and pits one against another.

 

[8ball]

Potential interviewer:


small print: I do not necessarily endorse the opinions expressed here.

But do you know what a 'cave becky' is?

 

[imposs1904]

I laughed:

 

[equationgirl]

I am becoming increasingly uncomfortable with the use of the term transracial to describe this behaviour, especially as it seems to be used more and more by the media ( the guardian in particular had been quick to adopt the term). As others have already pointed it, it invites easy but false comparisons between people transitioning gender and this rather odd unique situation.

So she currently appears to have a lot on the back of her exposure - no university job, no presidency and a couple of articles have suggested she no longer writes an occasional newspaper column. Yet she still persists with her position, expanded now to 'i've self-identified as black since I was 5'.

On a separate note, I'm disappointed that she's been interviewed by white interviewer on the 'today' show. Not surprised, but certainly disappointed and I think NBC could have done better on that front.

 

[Belushi]

I am becoming increasingly uncomfortable with the use of the term transracial to describe this behaviour, especially as it seems to be used more and more by the media ( the guardian in particular had been quick to adopt the term). As others have already pointed it, it invites easy but false comparisons between people transitioning gender and this rather odd unique situation.

It's also already a term, that means something quite different, used in adoption.

 

[MochaSoul]

I laughed:

View attachment 72785

Me too.

 

[8ball]

It's also already a term, that means something quite different, used in adoption.

Yeah, I'm hoping it doesn't get appropriated as a general usage for this kind of toss.