What's difficult to understand about the claim that although not dead as an idea, socialism is dead as a world-transforming movement? How many times do you need this simple point explaining?
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What's difficult to understand about the claim that although not dead as an idea, socialism is dead as a world-transforming movement? How many times do you need this simple point explaining?
Says the man with 37000 posts to my 6000 despite his 'taking time off Urban' (as if Urban's a career or something.)
What did you do with your sabbatical? Did you go travelling round Asia?
sleaterkinney
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Well done nino.
nino_savatte
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Was it ever a "world-transforming movement"?
You only came to the realisation that socialism could not be killed as an idea because I brought it up. You were quite prepared to continue spouting bollocks about socialism being dead.
nino_savatte
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How's your memory doing because you posted this drivel only minutes ago.
All I've come to realise through you is that there's some right fucking nutters posting on the internet.
It's obvious how you can amass your incredible 37000 posts in eight years, you know (37000 despite 'taking time off'! That takes some dedicated hair-splitting.)
Anyway, I'm going out for me dinner and a pint. Don't be here when I get back.
nino_savatte
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This sums you up. You refuse to actually engage with anyone unless they sign up to your defeatist point of view. A discussion, in your case, is all one-way traffic. You should try engaging with debates instead of trying to hijack them in order to satisfy your ego.
nino_savatte
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Feeble. I hope you can muster a better argument on your return.
It isn't a defeatist point of view, and I've engaged with sensible responses throughout this thread. You, along with Belboid and Streathamite, however, offer no sensible resonses, preferring instead to write about me.
If you want to debate, tell me, for instance, why you think socialism is not dead as a world-transforming force.
nino_savatte
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I already told you that you cannot kill ideas. Which part of that sentence don't you understand?
I take it you are familiar with what Engels said about ideology?
So tell us where this idea is going then. Dogmatically stating that you can't kill an idea is worse than useless.
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Reading Foucault?
nino_savatte
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Ideas don't have to "go" anywhere. Blimey, are you really that thick?
nino_savatte
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Have you anything to contribute or are you just here to offer LLETSA support because you think I'm picking on him?
nino_savatte
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You just don't get it, do you? What do you think an idea is?
It's incredible what you'll do to avoid stating whether there's any mileage left in socialism.
What's the point of a political idea if not to take society somewhere?
Well done another thread turned into the Nino show 
_angel_
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What don't I get?
Well done another thread turned into the Nino show
Until recent weeks he was, to me, merely another name on here. I didn't realise he was every bit as much of an idiot as others have long had him down for.
nino_savatte
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I'm here to laugh, mainly at you
Yeah, you're only good for snide comments.
nino_savatte
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Well done another thread turned into the Nino show
How so? I merely put the point to LLETSA that you can't kill ideas. He doesn't seem able to formulate a decent response. How is that the "nino show"?
nino_savatte
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And I used to think that people were being unfair to you - until I discovered why they responded to you in the manner they did.
For the thousandth time, so what if you can't kill ideas? What's your point?
nino_savatte
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You said that socialism was "dead". Are you really that fucking stupid?
nino_savatte
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This makes no sense.
I said that it's dead as a world transforming force. As a set of beliefs or an ideology tied to a movement capable of transforming societies in line with that ideology. And every time you make me repeat myself you simply state that 'you can't kill ideas,' as if this is in some way a refutation of what I'm saying.
You're a fucking head the ball.
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