Welsh Family Values

[Orang Utan]

i'm going to read it now, just to please you.

 

[William of Walworth]

>>Spy : Goodnight feller, but cheers!

OU -- will switch off til tomorrow. The PC included

But thanks if you mean it

 

[Orang Utan]

"I just don't understand"

me neither
what a strange post

 

[William of Walworth]

Just to add, I do appreciate that I am the minority outsider in all this, and that our far from family focussed lifestyle, and our lack of much interest in same, must seem pretty odd and weird to some on here and even more to plenty beyond here, whether in the Swansea area or beyond that.

This isn't necessarily a Wales specific subject anyway, as I said in post 1 there must be plenty of places elsewhere (the rural areas, the North of England, , Scotland, wherever) where family life plays a much more central role to a bigger proportion of people than it seems to in London or other very big cities.

I speak as I find though, and having moved from London to Wales in 2008, as far as 'family life' is concerned, and most peoples' apparant take on it, I did find a major, major difference!

I was genuinely looking for insights/ideas/explanations though, have already had some (thanks -- as I said, wayward bob's posts frinstance, did get me prioperly thinking) so keep the discussion coming folks.

<On way to switch off! at self but also >

This selfquote here was originally from me in late July (30th) I now find .

Was it any wonder after all this time that I bumped this thread a bit 'violently' today?

(Anecdotes all true though, btw)

 

[Orang Utan]

is it possible for you to post without recourse to smileys, parentheses, qualifiers, codicils and addenda?

 

[Badgers]

BED WILLY =====>

 

[oryx]

I find this thread a bit but if the point William is making is the contrast between an intensely family-orientated community and a small child being left to cry for an hour and a half in a pub, with no intervention, then that has some validity.

Though of course it's not a Welsh thing (not that W was suggesting that) - it happens all over.

 

[fogbat]

Babygate

 

[William of Walworth]

I find this thread a bit but if the point William is making is the contrast between an intensely family-orientated community and a small child being left to cry for an hour and a half in a pub, with no intervention, then that has some validity.

Though of course it's not a Welsh thing (not that W was suggesting that) - it happens all over.

Thanks for that --in fact its not at all common to encounter incidents like that, and drunk as I was I accepted it was unusual to the point of being stand-out rare.

I did think there was something odd though, to say the least, about a baby crying loudly for well over an hour but this going apparantly ignored by not just his parents/family group but by all the other couples/groups/drinkers/families around them.

So yes, my post while deliberately worded provocatively, did carry some sort of point too. Probably wouldn't even have bothered on here had I been a fair bit more sober, so thank/blame the beer if you like. Because yes, no shock, we'd been drinking a shedload ...

 

[William of Walworth]

is it possible for you to post without recourse to smileys, parentheses, qualifiers, codicils and addenda?

Not at that point last night, no, so tough.

Anyway, think about how that post might have been worded without any qualifiers etc.

<No smiley on Urban capable of encapsulating that!>

 

[Orang Utan]

You're not even capable of it, are you?
You're worse than Columbo

 

[Badgers]

#babygate

 

[William of Walworth]

Just reread Babygate -- the post!

It really, really doesn't look that bad even now (IMO). All those qualifications/clarifications (including smilies!) that OU objects to so much and so irrelevantly, still left it pretty clear what I was getting at, And also it was pretty clear that not every single word in there was entirely serious anyway.

So no apologies from me, not even this morning after, least of all for drinking that amount of beer, because there were some cracking choices of pint on.

 

[William of Walworth]

Columbo reference has passed me by I fear.

 

[Orang Utan]

Your contempt for families is apparent. I was just objecting to your weird style and trying to convey how it might be offputting to a casual observer. But I suppose that's like objecting to the wind.

 

[Orang Utan]

Columbo reference has passed me by I fear.

So it has. Oh well.

 

[William of Walworth]

Your contempt for families is apparent.

Some of my best friends are in them ...

And you overgeneralise wildly anyway (reread the old post requoted in 124). My opinions are far from mainstream and I've always accepted that, but you could find a better word than contempt. And a better attitude to me than contempt too, for that matter.

 

[phildwyer]

William should so have a kid. He so obviously wants one badly. And he could post daily updates about his child-rearing on here too.

Seriously, I'd think he'd love being a father and should do it asap. Someone else tell him though, he won't listen to me.

 

[William of Walworth]

So laughbly wrong there phil!

Anyway festivaldeb would never stand for it either (even less so in fact), and she's left the matter just a tad bit too late now.

Bothered? Not really ....

 

[Orang Utan]

we should send you a bairn that you must look after

 

[_angel_]

Babies cry. Some cry for literally hours on end and some will not be
calmed by anything at all. The parents will know that god knows I do.
It even happens in england!!

 

[wayward bob]

It even happens in england!!

lol

 

[ddraig]

 

[poisondwarf]

Oh what a surprise...WoW being a twat.

 

[marty21]

It's not confined to Wales. On these estates people live on the same street as their mums, sisters, dads etc.
Now I come to think about it most of my in laws family live within the same square mile elsewhere in Yorkshire.
London is the unusual case.

I've worked on estates in London which are full of family and extended family all living close by.

 

[Athos]

Babies cry. Some cry for literally hours on end and some will not be
calmed by anything at all. The parents will know that god knows I do.
It even happens in england!!

But surely the point is that if your baby is crying for hours on end you don't ignore its distress and subject others to the noise. People don't go to the pub to hear screaming kids.

 

[DotCommunist]

shot of brandy in the milk, everyones a winner

 

[Athos]

shot of brandy in the milk, everyones a winner

When I was a baby, a friend of my mother swore by this. Luckily my mum didn't take her advice. The woman killed her son with too much brandy one night.

 

[_angel_]

But surely the point is that if your baby is crying for hours on end you don't ignore its distress and subject others to the noise. People don't go to the pub to hear screaming kids.

This is the reason people (usually mums) get isolated and left on their own. Don't want people judging them when they can't stop the baby crying.

 

[Athos]

This is the reason people (usually mums) get isolated and left on their own. Don't want people judging them when they can't stop the baby crying.

There's loads of places parents with young kids can go to socialise without imposing screaming kids on people who want a quiet drink. To sit in a pub and do nothing whilst your baby cries is selfish. Both towards the kid and the other patrons of the pub. If my kids cry in a pub I try to settle them; if I can't, I take them outside for a walk; if that doesn't work, I take them home.