8ball
Decolonise colons!
Well, in the case of where I'm from, they moved away and then came back. Mostly.
Welsh Family Values
- Thread starter William of Walworth
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Well, in the case of where I'm from, they moved away and then came back. Mostly.
_angel_
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I am more or less resigned to quite possibly never being a granny. Even tho I've got three boys. I'd say two of them are quite likely never to have kids and the third, well who knows but I can't really expect it!i'm gonna be one of those old ladies that gets chatting at bus stops and bores people rigid about their grandkids
Think it's a class thing, rather than particularly Welsh. i.e. Where mobility, social or otherwise is restricted. You hear a lot of that sort of chat in parts of Bristol and Liverpool IME. In fact, any where there isn't a predominent transient community or relatively recent incomers. Not so much London, least I didn't grow up in Albert Square. Maybe like that in some areas. But then, London's a place where many peple move to. my family mostly came from Scotland, for example. I imagine the'rs a similar thing to what OP describes in the areas of Glasgow they left. Save the disruptive effect of economic displacement and migration.
geminisnake
a complex mass of conflicting ideas
People do sometimes look at each other and I quite enjoy smiling at people and even occasionally speaking, usually to a child. Sometimes you get a response from the parent but it does appear to confuse them though
wayward bob
i ate all your bees
the other thing - whether wow likes it or not - is that children very often *are* the glue that holds communities together. i've got to know most of my neighbours *through* having kids: whether that's them stopping to chat with you in the street when you have a small baby, or by meeting other parents at school. our school is the very model of a *community school* making links between all kinds of people we'd never have got to know otherwise. and we live in an area with a high transient population and a large number of recent immigrants.
we know all the shopkeepers because they know our kids, we bump into people we haven't seen in ages cos the kids are doing some show or other. and we've got to know our local area much better because they learn loads about it at school and go on all kinds of trips. it's dramatically widened my social circle, my experience and my understanding of other cultures.
what's not to like?
we know all the shopkeepers because they know our kids, we bump into people we haven't seen in ages cos the kids are doing some show or other. and we've got to know our local area much better because they learn loads about it at school and go on all kinds of trips. it's dramatically widened my social circle, my experience and my understanding of other cultures.
what's not to like?
two sheds
Least noticed poster 2007
People do sometimes look at each other and I quite enjoy smiling at people and even occasionally speaking, usually to a child. Sometimes you get a response from the parent but it does appear to confuse them though
I do too sometimes to adults but always i expect them to go
wayward bob
i ate all your bees
i'm gonna tell this story just to fuck william off
when my youngest started nursery she was very shy, but gradually a couple of little groups formed and she got really friendly with a particular girl, they're still really good mates.
gradually i got to know her mum, she's ace and is now my very best mate locally (she lives literally around the corner).
when my mum moved to cardiff a couple of years back she started an italian class, got very friendly with a particular woman. turns out she was my mate's mum.
when my youngest started nursery she was very shy, but gradually a couple of little groups formed and she got really friendly with a particular girl, they're still really good mates.
gradually i got to know her mum, she's ace and is now my very best mate locally (she lives literally around the corner).
when my mum moved to cardiff a couple of years back she started an italian class, got very friendly with a particular woman. turns out she was my mate's mum.
wayward bob
i ate all your bees
well i think technically it's probably okay to have blood relatives, as long as we don't talk about them when wow's in the room 
That was far from my intention in starting this.
(I've come a major cropper with that particular subject, and justiably so cos I was an arse at the time
, but that was a good few years ago on here now, and I'd like to think that I've become somewhat mellower nowadays).My confusion, and Debbie's too, about general-family-dominated conversation and chat in Wales, is somewhat different.
And I do accept earlier points about all this probably not being Wales specific anyway. More about the culture shock of moving away from London to here and all that.
I really, genuinely did want an interesting discussion to kick off, and it has, so cheers all (seriously) because pretty much all the posts have given me more to think about.
Will return.
Clair De Lune
Apocalypse cocktails
I live in the same city as wow, I wondered recently how we had never met as it goes 
Maybe I will hang round in petsathome with my kids chained up in the parking lot and see if I can strike up a conversation about pussy.
Maybe I will hang round in petsathome with my kids chained up in the parking lot and see if I can strike up a conversation about pussy.
well i think technically it's probably okay to have blood relatives, as long as we don't talk about them when wow's in the room
You made some fucking good points in some of your earlier posts btw. So feel free to be a tad twattish in the one above no bother
Thinking about your posts though.
'More later' etc.
I live in the same city as wow, I wondered recently how we had never met as it goes
Maybe I will hang round in petsathome with my kids chained up in the parking lot and see if I can strike up a conversation about pussy.
No need for that Clair. We'd get on a lot better than you think. This really isn't meant to be an anti children thread at all.
Clair De Lune
Apocalypse cocktails
I am only fucking about mr. Like a lot of things...thoughts like this are better out than in because sharing them can lead to new ways of thinking about them.
I have a lot of childless (and happy to be so) friends in Swansea. Imo and experience, us folk with kids are often left feeling excluded from many social activities, so it is interesting to hear that it works somewhat the same in reverse. We are all just people who have made different choices, I am sure there can be common ground though.
Fair do, thanks for those thoughts. Appreciated. To be honest though, a vast proprtion of all this one for both myself and festivaldeb too, is workplace related. To go no further for now
poisondwarf
I have a chance...and it is fat.
I find a lot of Wow's posts generally have an anti welsh tinge to them. It's really fucking dull and i've said as much before. All his colleagues at the DVLA are racist or the people are different in one way or another, blah, blah, blah. Leave if you don't like it.
Orang Utan
Psychick Worrier Ov Geyoor
I have a mate who works at the same place as WoW.
He doesn't have kids and isn't a racist. He likes beer too.
You should hook up WoW
He doesn't have kids and isn't a racist. He likes beer too.
You should hook up WoW
Cut out the direct employment place references please folks. Edit those out please.
And I never said 'all' at any time. I have plenty of friends/acquaintances/colleagues/fellow pubgoers here, both actual Welsh and resident (very) long term incomers, and getting on = no problem.
My sister's lived fewer than about 3 of her (older-than-me) years outside Wales, I was brought up in (North) Wales myself for about 17. For whatever very limited relevance either of those have.
So address whatever actual point I was actually making
and kindly shut it with the racism accusations against me. Thanks
Just to add, I do appreciate that I am the minority outsider in all this, and that our far from family focussed lifestyle, and our lack of much interest in same, must seem pretty odd and weird to some on here and even more to plenty beyond here, whether in the Swansea area or beyond that.
This isn't necessarily a Wales specific subject anyway, as I said in post 1 there must be plenty of places elsewhere (the rural areas, the North of England, , Scotland, wherever) where family life plays a much more central role to a bigger proportion of people than it seems to in London or other very big cities.
I speak as I find though, and having moved from London to Wales in 2008, as far as 'family life' is concerned, and most peoples' apparant take on it, I did find a major, major difference!
I was genuinely looking for insights/ideas/explanations though, have already had some (thanks -- as I said, wayward bob's posts frinstance, did get me prioperly thinking) so keep the discussion coming folks.
Got to go to work in a moment ....I'll play polite and nice when I get there as I generally try my best to -- it's my last few days in that particular team, along with two others I'm tranferring to another one next week.
Apparantly in the new group there are two people who are in actual bands!
Could become a bit of a different working day vibe, you never know.
This isn't necessarily a Wales specific subject anyway, as I said in post 1 there must be plenty of places elsewhere (the rural areas, the North of England, , Scotland, wherever) where family life plays a much more central role to a bigger proportion of people than it seems to in London or other very big cities.
I speak as I find though, and having moved from London to Wales in 2008, as far as 'family life' is concerned, and most peoples' apparant take on it, I did find a major, major difference!
I was genuinely looking for insights/ideas/explanations though, have already had some (thanks -- as I said, wayward bob's posts frinstance, did get me prioperly thinking) so keep the discussion coming folks.
Got to go to work in a moment ....I'll play polite and nice when I get there as I generally try my best to -- it's my last few days in that particular team, along with two others I'm tranferring to another one next week.
Apparantly in the new group there are two people who are in actual bands!
Could become a bit of a different working day vibe, you never know.
Some of my best friends are Welsh!
JHE
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Apparantly in the new group there are two people who are in actual bands!
They'll be young enough to be your children, if not your grandchildren, and will see you accurately as a moany geriatric Englishman.
Very likely! They're both around their thirties by the look of them
They're both around their thirties by the look of them 
Gavin Bl
terrible awful baaad
AKA obsession?
all 37 of their immediate relatives living withing fifteen minutes drive of where they live????(that's empirical perception)
thats a 5 minute drive with my lot.
OK, here's mine, and deb's, take on 'Welsh Family Values' !!!!!
Being family-devoid drunks, we've just spent nearly 3 hours in a Wetherspoons.
(Clue, not the main city centre one ).
Reason we were there : Wetherspoons beer festival has some pretty cracking ones on right now.
And this non-City Centre one had some superbly better-quality ones this evening than the 'other' Spoons round here.
Twas a pretty spacious pub --huge in fact -- but it was generally packed to the rafters.
How about this tho'!
For the vast (and I mean vast!) majority of that time, we wittnessed nearly the entire population of that pub, and definitely including the parents, and only apart from a very few who quickly left, doing the square root of bugger all about a baby between one and one and a half year screaming its head off, exceptionally loudly.
Not altogether permanently, but not far off.
OK, they're freaks, those parents.
Most parents -- almost all -- abide by their baby reponsibilities, including when they've got a (no doubt!
) VERY rare treat-chance to go and eat very acceptably priced and served meals with other family members in a (very nice) pub
(for W'spoons ).
But we feel like extreme freaks too!!!
Always have been, always will be
We're both on the older side, and have no kids.
(Not the normal sort o'kids, anyway )
Relaxing lifestyle or what, and a good deal less expensive!
EXTREME-A-MUNDO!!!! freakishness round here! ( )
Partly because we are freaks!
But also because ...
What the fucking extreme fuck with the widespread tolerence/ignoral in that very crowded, very local-known, bit also genuinely family minded pub ... but a pub that generally works, well, with being at the same time a beer drinker friendly place???
Main point though :
Does not doing fuck all about a baby that young screaming its troubled head off for over an hour, not constitute a certain level of child neglect?
Even bordering on the a-word?
Amongst the ignoring-skilled locals?
And does not the widespread 'laidbackness' (from those nearer-by than we were to everything I've described above) about such exteme family-friendly 'values' constitute active collaboration, or at least tolerence to the point of seeming to bend over over backwards to 'accomodate'?
With child abuse?
Sorry!!!! I obviously meant neglect!!! Obviously, like! Obviously!!! And nothing that bad! Baby to all appearances very well fed (not to mention well tolerated -- amd 'energetic!).
And all that, obvs! Well loved baby!!! Clearly Obvs! ....
(Not that I ever drink with anyone who works for any council round here, not evah! Oh no!! )
(That over the shoulder small-type aside was NOT, I repeat NOT, a 'grassing' threat btw!!! x 4,000 at my own lack of extreme-to-the-point-of-pedantic clarity!)
But anyway ... why, though, no polite ..... erm ..... approaches to that table?
From anyone? Why none, from no-one, at all?
Or why, even more so, why even not the slightest level of remonstration, even?
Not from anyone?
Not from the staff?
Is there anything remotely 'peculiar' to Wales about that kind of well developed -- to the extreme -- level of 'tolerence'?
Or do we get the same thing in any other 'family friendly pubs' -- anywhere ??
(No doubt we definitely do, but I personally have never been to such a one outside this particular 'area' where such a thing happend with absoultely zero happening** in consequence. For a very long time ....
**Such as the parents very sensibly deciding of their 100% own volition to leave -- after their meal of course -- along with family.
Such as, ahem, a tad bit, slight amount, sooner?
(And hadn't they got a few grandparents and uncles/aunties/sisters and brothers in Wales anyway? Not in Wales? )
Babysitters well inexpeinsive, round here, I understand!!
(not even as if these particular parents were particularly drunk, and they were pretty respectable looking in this case -- on the surface! )
Obviously I only started this thread merely to ask!
Ok, so when there, we didn't object (at all). Seriously, we really really did not ...
(OK except fairly --actually very -- quietly amongst ourselves only -- and a klong way away. Not before we'd left, anyway!)
But festivaldeb did suggest a dangerous strategy.
(Wants old pink handbag thread icon!!! )
Approach said family with great (but exceptionally well acted! ) 'concern', after a VERY suitably long lapse of bawling-baby-time (and of beer), and express extreme 'concern' yourself.
(I do accept this kind of situation wouldn't come up very often at all ... he added with a tiny amount of dull and 'balanced' semi-rationality .... but we might, you never know, next time need an advance-prepared defence mechanism!)
Just do this CONVINCINGLY!! And act very well indeed, and to a RADA, or to a Welsh RADA equivalent, standard, please!
So, here's deb's strategy :
Is your baby OK?
Is he a bit ill?
Are you sure he's all right?
We're pretty worried!
The poor thing has been really upset for over an hour ...
Can we help in any way?
We've got three ourselves .... ( )
Great strategy, I thought, in going back on the bus in advance of a take-away theory, but!
Never going to work in our part of baby-and-family values worshipping Wales
It's not, 'mind', though!
'Is it'?
'See'
"I just don't understand"
Being family-devoid drunks, we've just spent nearly 3 hours
in a Wetherspoons.(Clue, not the main city centre one
).Reason we were there : Wetherspoons beer festival has some pretty cracking ones on right now.
And this non-City Centre one had some superbly better-quality ones this evening than the 'other' Spoons round here.
Twas a pretty spacious pub --huge in fact -- but it was generally packed to the rafters.
How about this tho'!
For the vast (and I mean vast!) majority of that time, we wittnessed nearly the entire population of that pub, and definitely including the parents, and only apart from a very few who quickly left, doing the square root of bugger all about a baby between one and one and a half year screaming its head off, exceptionally loudly.
Not altogether permanently, but not far off.
OK, they're freaks, those parents.
Most parents -- almost all -- abide by their baby reponsibilities, including when they've got a (no doubt!
) VERY rare treat-chance to go and eat very acceptably priced and served meals with other family members in a (very nice) pub(for W'spoons
).But we feel like extreme freaks too!!!
Always have been, always will be
We're both on the older side, and have no kids.
(Not the normal sort o'kids, anyway
)Relaxing lifestyle or what, and a good deal less expensive!
EXTREME-A-MUNDO!!!! freakishness round here!
( )Partly because we are freaks!
But also because ...
What the fucking extreme fuck with the widespread tolerence/ignoral in that very crowded, very local-known, bit also genuinely family minded pub ... but a pub that generally works, well, with being at the same time a beer drinker friendly place???
Main point though :
Does not doing fuck all about a baby that young screaming its troubled head off for over an hour, not constitute a certain level of child neglect?
Even bordering on the a-word?
Amongst the ignoring-skilled locals?
And does not the widespread 'laidbackness' (from those nearer-by than we were to everything I've described above) about such exteme family-friendly 'values' constitute active collaboration, or at least tolerence to the point of seeming to bend over over backwards to 'accomodate'?
With child abuse?
Sorry!!!! I obviously meant neglect!!! Obviously, like! Obviously!!! And nothing that bad! Baby to all appearances very well fed (not to mention well tolerated -- amd 'energetic!).
And all that, obvs! Well loved baby!!! Clearly Obvs! ....
(Not that I ever drink with anyone who works for any council round here, not evah! Oh no!!
)(That over the shoulder small-type aside was NOT, I repeat NOT, a 'grassing' threat btw!!!
x 4,000 at my own lack of extreme-to-the-point-of-pedantic clarity!)But anyway ... why, though, no polite ..... erm ..... approaches to that table?
From anyone? Why none, from no-one, at all?
Or why, even more so, why even not the slightest level of remonstration, even?
Not from anyone?
Not from the staff?
Is there anything remotely 'peculiar' to Wales about that kind of well developed -- to the extreme -- level of 'tolerence'?
Or do we get the same thing in any other 'family friendly pubs' -- anywhere ??
(No doubt we definitely do, but I personally have never been to such a one outside this particular 'area'
where such a thing happend with absoultely zero happening** in consequence. For a very long time ....**Such as the parents very sensibly deciding of their 100% own volition to leave -- after their meal of course -- along with family.
Such as, ahem, a tad bit, slight amount, sooner?
(And hadn't they got a few grandparents and uncles/aunties/sisters and brothers in Wales anyway? Not in Wales? )
Babysitters well inexpeinsive, round here, I understand!!
(not even as if these particular parents were particularly drunk, and they were pretty respectable looking in this case -- on the surface! )
Obviously I only started this thread merely to ask!
Ok, so when there, we didn't object (at all). Seriously, we really really did not ...
(OK except fairly --actually very -- quietly amongst ourselves only
-- and a klong way away. Not before we'd left, anyway!)But festivaldeb did suggest a dangerous strategy.
(Wants old pink handbag thread icon!!!
)Approach said family with great (but exceptionally well acted!
) 'concern', after a VERY suitably long lapse of bawling-baby-time (and of beer), and express extreme 'concern' yourself.(I do accept this kind of situation wouldn't come up very often at all ... he added with a tiny amount of dull and 'balanced' semi-rationality .... but we might, you never know, next time need an advance-prepared defence mechanism!)
Just do this CONVINCINGLY!! And act very well indeed, and to a RADA, or to a Welsh RADA equivalent, standard, please!
So, here's deb's strategy :
Is your baby OK?
Is he a bit ill?
Are you sure he's all right?
We're pretty worried!
The poor thing has been really upset for over an hour ...
Can we help in any way?
We've got three
ourselves .... ( )Great strategy, I thought, in going back on the bus in advance of a take-away theory, but!
Never going to work in our part of baby-and-family values worshipping Wales
It's not, 'mind', though!
'Is it'?
'See'
"I just don't understand"
Orang Utan
Psychick Worrier Ov Geyoor
you're odd
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