Analyse things you dafty. He was a serving solder in the British Army and had been for 7 years. I don't agree with what they done but then again the British Army have recently been responsible for bayonetting little ten year old kids in Afghanistan, killing thousands of innocents in two wars with bullets, drone strikes, air strikes-so I can understand the reasons behind the killing. So do I have sympathy for his family and his wee kid-yes? Do I lose any sleep for the killing of a British Army soldier-no. He knew what he signed up for and that is one of the risks of fighting for the rich in foreign wars which have killed hundreds of thousands of people.
Was the killing in Woolwich murder or part of the war?
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Analyse things you dafty. He was a serving solder in the British Army and had been for 7 years. I don't agree with what they done but then again the British Army have recently been responsible for bayonetting little ten year old kids in Afghanistan, killing thousands of innocents in two wars with bullets, drone strikes, air strikes-so I can understand the reasons behind the killing. So do I have sympathy for his family and his wee kid-yes? Do I lose any sleep for the killing of a British Army soldier-no. He knew what he signed up for and that is one of the risks of fighting for the rich in foreign wars which have killed hundreds of thousands of people.
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
coley
Well-Known Member
Not really,just wondering how long the AW argument has been used on here?
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
yes really, you are saying arguments/understanding=justifying
thats not on, because its not the case.
thats not on, because its not the case.
agricola
a genuine importer of owls
He didnt bayonet any ten year olds, nor has anyone suggested he killed innocents with bullets, drone strikes or air strikes. So basically their reason for doing this terrible act boils down to the two clowns thinking he was a soldier, which is after all only a short distance away from the 7/7 bombers thinking that blowing a load of innocent civilians up was justified because of the actions of the government that "they" had voted for.
coley
Well-Known Member
Aye your right, shouldn't have used the term justify, just wondering how long the AW argument has been around on here?
cesare
shady's dreams ♥
A very short distance.
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
fair enough- what do you mean by AW btw? Anti-War?
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
oh I see. Well digging up grannies for the cause is a bit off, unless its thatch obvs
1%er
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all wankers
silverfish
Sprinkling glitter on turds
State your source of information about British soldiers bayoneting ten year old children please
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
There was a soldier sent down last week for precisely that, although I believe it was a knife rather than a bayonet.
e2a: No, turns out it was a bayonet:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/dec/02/british-soldier-stabbed-afghan-boy
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
Do you have any evidence as to the thought processes of the 7/7 bombers? It would be quite impressive if you did, considering.
SpineyNorman
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AW?
sihhi
Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered
Shehzad Tanwir's last testament gives the basic indication - the first step of revenge for British crimes as part of a long fairly indiscriminate war of attrition:
"To the non-Muslims of Britain, you may wonder what you have done to deserve this. You are those who have voted in your government, who in turn have, and still continue to this day, continue to oppress our mothers, children, brothers and sisters, from the east to the west, in Palestine, Afghanistan, Iraq, and Chechnya. Your government has openly supported the genocide of over 150,000 innocent Muslims in Fallujah.
You have offered financial and military support to the U.S. and Israel, in the massacre of our children in Palestine. You are directly responsible for the problems in Palestine, Afghanistan, and Iraq to this day. You have openly declared war on Islam, and are the forerunners in the crusade against the Muslims.
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We are 100% committed to the cause of Islam. We love death the way you love life. I tell all you British citizens to stop your support to your lying British government, and to the so-called 'war on terror,' and ask yourselves, why would thousands of men be willing to give their lives for the cause of Muslims? Allah, in Surat Al-Nisa, says: 'What is wrong with you that you fight not in the cause of Allah, and for those weak, ill, cheated, and oppressed, among men, women, and children, whose cry is: 'Our Lord, rescue us from this town whose people are oppressors, and raise for us from among you one who will protect, and raise for us from you one who will help.
...
Oh Muslims of Britain, you, day in and day out on your TV sets, watch and hear about the oppression of the Muslims, from the east to the west. But yet you turn a blind eye, and carry on with your lives as if you never heard anything, or as if it does not concern you. What is the matter with you that you turn back not to the religion that Allah has chosen for you? You have preferred the dunya to Allah, His messenger, and the Hereafter. As Allah, in the Surat Al-Touba, says: 'Say, if your fathers, your sons, your brothers, your wives, your kindred, the wealth that you've gained, the commerce in which you fear decline, and the dwellings in which you delight, are dearer to you than Allah, and His messenger, and striving hard in fighting His cause, then wait until Allah brings about His decision, His torment, and Allah guides not those people who are fasiqun,' who are rebellious, disobedient to Allah. Your duty is to Allah, to His messenger, and to those who are weak and oppressed. As Allah says, in Surat Al-Touba: 'Oh you who believe, what is the matter with you, that when you are asked to march forth in His cause, you cling heavily to the earth. Are you pleased with the life of this world rather than the Hereafter? But little is the enjoyment of this world as compared to the Hereafter.'
"Oh Muslims of Britain, stand up and be counted. You are those who Allah has honored with Islam, and know that if you turn back from your religion, Allah has no need for you. As Allah, in Surat Al-Maida, says: 'Oh you who believe, whoever from amongst you turns back from his religion, Allah will bring a people whom He will love, and they will love Him. Humble towards the believers, stern towards the disbelievers, fighting in the cause of Allah, never fear the blame of the blamers, that is the grace of Allah, which He bestows upon whom He wills, and Allah is All-sufficient for His creatures' needs.'
"Fight against the disbelievers, for it is but an obligation made on you by Allah. As Allah, in Surat Al-Baqra, says: 'Fighting was ordained for you, though you dislike it. It may be that you dislike a thing which is good for you, and you like a thing which is bad for you. And Allah knows, but you do not know.' ...
What you have witnessed now is only the beginning of a series of attacks, which, inshallah, will intensify and continue, until you pull all your troops out of Afghanistan and Iraq, until you stop all financial and military support to the U.S. and Israel, and until you release all Muslim prisoners from Belmarsh, and your other concentration camps. And know that if you fail to comply with this, then know that this war will never stop, and that we are ready to give our lives, one hundred times over, for the cause of Islam. You will never experience peace, until our children in Palestine, our mothers and sisters in Kashmir, and our brothers in Afghanistan and Iraq feel peace.
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Oh Muslims of Britain and the world, the dunya is just a fleeting enjoyment, and unto Allah will be your return. Obey Allah and His messenger, if you are indeed believers. Fight against the oppressors, the oppressive British regime. And you, the oppressive kuffar forces, that amass their forces against the Muslims in order to annihilate them - As Allah says, in Surat Al-Nisa: 'Those who believe fight in the cause of Allah, and those who disbelieve fight in the cause of Satan. So fight you against the friends of Satan. Ever feeble indeed is the plot of Satan.' So fight. Fight against the enemies of Allah.
Our blood flows across the earth. Muslim blood has become cheap. Where are those who will avenge the blood of our children in Palestine, and the rapes and massacres of our sisters in Kashmir? As for those of you who have been affected by this reminder, give your lives for Allah's cause, for, in truth, this is the best transaction, as Allah, in Surat Al-Touba, says: 'Verily, Allah has purchased from the believers their lives, and their property, for the price that they shall be in Paradise.' They fight in Allah's cause, so they kill and are killed. It is a promise in truth, which is binding on Him, in the Torah, in the Injil, and in the Koran. And who is truer to his promise than Allah? Then rejoice in the bargain which you have concluded. That is the supreme success.
We ask Allah to protect Sheikh Osama, and those who are close to him, and those who are fighting in Allah's cause across the earth. We ask Allah to lift the oppression of the Muslims, and to hasten the release of the Muslim prisoners, and scholars across the earth. We ask Allah to protect Sheikh Abu Mus'ab Al-Zarqawi, and those who are with him, and grant a near victory in Iraq. Oh Allah, grant us martyrdom in your cause, and accept us among the righteous on the day we shall return to You.
agricola
a genuine importer of owls
coley
Well-Known Member
Asymmetric warfare, sorry,should have written it in full.
Do think it's merely by chance that our language has three different words: "analyse", "understand" and "justify"?
goldenecitrone
post tenebras lux
Tbf that twat that stabbd the child had had his rifle taken away from him after getting pissed out of his skull.
i dont think anyone could have foreseen his next qctions would involve stabbing a kid
Puts Woolwich in perspective though. At least they only stabbed a soldier.
classicdish
Well-Known Member
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The British Army is responsible for that?
No, one soldier in the army was responsible and is being dealt with by the authorities for his horrific actions.
You know...the same way the whole of Islam is not responsible for the actions of those 2 psychopaths with shitty current affairs knowledge.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
I'm not sure you understand military discipline or the "military mentality" very well. At heart squaddies (I'm not including the officer class here - they're mostly wasters and cunts) are surprisingly socialistic - a harm to one is a harm to all, and the crimes of one reflect on all.
coley
Well-Known Member
The stupid buggers who obviously tried to cover for this arseholes drunkenness will certainly have their military careers finished at the very least.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
If they're NCOs, anyway.
articul8
Dishonest sociopath
I think we have a winner in the "Trot analysis of Woolwich most likely to win mass working class support" competition:
For Adebolajo and Oluwatobi, Against Imperialist wars in Muslim lands"
http://socialistfight.com/2013/05/3...obi-against-imperialist-wars-in-muslim-lands/
For Adebolajo and Oluwatobi, Against Imperialist wars in Muslim lands"
http://socialistfight.com/2013/05/3...obi-against-imperialist-wars-in-muslim-lands/
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
At least they're not pretending - that basically just openly says what many on the left argued in a weasel fashion.
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