None of those are first-hand accounts.
Was jesus born on the 25 december
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None of those are first-hand accounts.
The first rule of Urbans is - we do not understand irony.
Maurice Picarda
Actually, might as well flounce.
Luke is generally assumed to have been non-contemporaneous with the chippy Galilean chippy, and was corrupted much later by Paul of Tarsus.
And how do we know which star they're supposed to have observed?
There are, but none of them come from the time Jesus is meant to have lived.
Maurice Picarda
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Could you say something reportably offensive or racist, Olle? At the moment you're only being irritatingly stupid and no-one can ban you for that.
Coz we added up the astronomy...
Hmmmm.
My quick googling tells me jewrusalem was burned down in ad 70. Might this not explain some of that?
Olle
Save wood eat a beaver
maurice did your mum dress you this morning
quimcunx
imprimeo, lamino, distribuo
No idea. some prog I half watche dmany years ago something about some star being brighter than normal and my sister's birthday which made it stick in my head.
jesuscrept
bummed
And the first hand accounts that they were real?
Dr Dolittle
Slightly loony
Yes, I've noticed. Should I find a new forum?
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
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Maurice Picarda
Actually, might as well flounce.
That's probably not going to be enough, even with the lack of punctuation to compound any felony. Do you have any opinions about traveller communities? About rootless cosmopolitan financiers? Mohammedans? Working-class people in sportswear? Any prejudices in that direction would be helpful.
jesuscrept
bummed
You win.
Olle
Save wood eat a beaver
no i go out in the daytime
Look, its simple right; X = Libra, Y=No. of gifts from wise men, Z=mercury being strong that week.
Therefore, X = YxZ. Divide that by the number of barns in Bethlehem, and Jesus is definitely the son of God.
Dr Dolittle
Slightly loony
According to something I read a few years ago - and I can't remember its identity - December 25th was the date of a pagan festival, celebrated all over Europe, apparently commemorating the birthday of some long-forgotten king or pagan god. When the Christians were trying to take over, they found they couldn't stop local people practicing their annual festival, so they decided that December 25th should be celebrated as the supposed birth date of Jesus. Easter is also a pagan festival that the Christians half took over but, like with Christmas, had to find a compromise. Nor were these festivals the reserve of pagans - it's no accident that the Jewish Passover and Hannachuh festivals coincide roughly with Easter and Christmas. Christmas and Hannachuh both originated as winter festivals of lights.
Maurice Picarda
Actually, might as well flounce.
Easter coincides with Pesach because the last supper was a seder. Not that your general premise isn't sensible.
Olle
Save wood eat a beaver
will done DD ive got that but when was jesus born
jesuscrept
bummed
Makes perfect sense.
jesuscrept
bummed
It doesn't say anywhere explicitly in the NT when he was born. Sometime between March and September a lot of people seem to think.
Dr Dolittle
Slightly loony
Exactly - that's why they were able to choose an arbitrary date. I know December 25th isn't between March and September, but those Christians were obviously more interested in taking over Europe than historical accuracy. If they were even aware of it themselves.
Olle
Save wood eat a beaver
why is it we know so much about him [books] but no records of his birth date
Or death date. It is odd that Pontius Pilate, whose reports back to Rome are, at least partially, preserved, makes no mention of having crucified a man called Jesus, claiming to be the King of the Jews.
jesuscrept
bummed
We know very little of him. Only a few of his 35 years have been written about.
Many years later.
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
I'm presuming Rome were interested largely in the tax returns and expenses forms rather than 'crushed another hippy to stop the sanhedrin moaning at me LOL.'
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