Vault 7 - Massive Wikileaks release on CIA eavesdropping

[Spymaster]

If you wish to punish Manning, then, since you would rather she had not leake this, you wish to cover this up. If you wish to punish people like Manning then you want to cover similar atrocities up.

You're an idiot.

 

[classicdish]

WikiLeaks: CIA hacking group 'UMBRAGE' stockpiled techniques from other hackers


Sound familiar, Goldilocks?

Interestingly The Intercept has a different take on this:
WikiLeaks Files Show the CIA Repurposing Hacking Code To Save Time, Not To Frame Russia

 

[mikey mikey]

You're an idiot.

Well, since you called two people that I admire "fuckwits" (i.e. Manning and Snowen), I will consider "idiot" coming from you quite the compliment.

 

[Spymaster]

Well, since you called two people that I admire "fuckwits" (i.e. Manning and Snowen), I will consider "idiot" coming from you quite the compliment.

It's great when you agree with what they're leaking, isn't it? What happens when people who you don't "admire" leak stuff that you wanted kept confidential?

 

[mikey mikey]

It's great when you agree with what they're leaking, isn't it?

Not so great for them, thanks to people like you.

What happens when people who you don't "admire" leak stuff that you wanted kept confidential?

No.

 

[Spymaster]

Not so great for them, thanks to people like you.



No.

Yep, I was right.

You're an idiot!

 

[mikey mikey]

Yep, I was right.

GFY

Here is some good news.



So the next time the coppers find weed in your house, just say that having a nice stash in no way implies you're gonna smoke it or pass it on to your mates.

And that smoking bong is a sculpture.

 

[Spymaster]

Seems to me that you've already been smoking something this morning, Mikey.

 

[mikey mikey]

I'd invite you round, but you're more likely to tip off the Old Bill like a good citizen should.

 

[mauvais]

Nonsense.

Possibly in he very distant future with "driverless" cars, but current vehicles simply don't have the equipment in them to allow remote control.

Yes they do. There was a demonstration of controlling a Jeep Cherokee last year via exploiting its entertainment system. It doesn't need to be fully self-driving, it just needs to have drive-by-wire elements like electric steering. Many if not most do.

Hackers Remotely Kill a Jeep on the Highway—With Me in It

 

[Spymaster]

Yes they do. There was a demonstration of controlling a Jeep Cherokee last year via exploiting its entertainment system. It doesn't need to be fully self-driving, it just needs to have drive-by-wire elements like electric steering. Many if not most do.

Hackers Remotely Kill a Jeep on the Highway—With Me in It

That's one type of vehicle and they needed to gain access to it first. Still more than I thought possible, tbf. Will read up on this tonight.

 

[mauvais]

That's one type of vehicle and they needed to gain access to it first. Still more than I thought possible, tbf. Will read up on this tonight.

IIRC it could be done entirely remotely by Bluetooth or similar. Could be wrong though.

It's certainly not the only car that didn't separate ICE from vehicular control. All of this stuff was designed assuming that the context was secure. There's an interesting thread on here somewhere I think.

Edit:

It's a product of the evolution of car technology without an evolution in security and proper systems design.

So you design a satnav or a car stereo. Well who gives a shit about security, it's just a satnav?

And you design an electric steering system that will allow automatic parking. Well who gives a shit about security, it's buried in a car, and you can't hack a car, right?

And then you connect to the two together using a single interconnected method of comms, throw in a phone or even Wi-Fi connection, and you have a serious problem.

 

[Spymaster]

I'd invite you round, but you're more likely to tip off the Old Bill like a good citizen should.

What you smoke or stick up your hooter is of absolutely no concern to me.

 

[Captain Christy]

Does this mean we have to close down Threadstone! That won't go well out in Langley

 

[snadge]

That's one type of vehicle and they needed to gain access to it first. Still more than I thought possible, tbf. Will read up on this tonight.

Most cars incorporate the WiFi/SatNav access into the main loom for cost reasons, as far as I know there are only 2 manufacturers that have a discreet loom for the WiFi/SatNav, thus isolating access to all the drive by wire controls (which include amongst others Accelerator, brakes, Traction Control/Steering), those 2 are Mercedes and (wait for it) Audi/VW.


But yeah, a lot of cars are vulnerable.

 

[mikey mikey]

What you smoke or stick up your hooter is of absolutely no concern to me.

Of course it isn't and nor should it be. I admire your respect for other people's right to privacy.

That being said, the secret services spying on people's private lives in the a manner directly from the Orwellian dystopia seems not to bother you. In fact you would have those exposing this (at one time unlawful) snooping thrown in jail as reward for their courageous sacrifice.

I am always rather shocked to see this kind of obsequieousness. One could be forgiven for mistaking it for some form of Stockholm Syndrome. But then I remember that the Stasi had no shortage of recruits and the collaborators with the Axis powers committed some of the worst war crimes in human history.

 

[Spymaster]

Of course it isn't and nor should it be. I admire your respect for other people's right to privacy.

That being said, the secret services spying on people's private lives in the a manner directly from the Orwellian dystopia seems not to bother you. In fact you would have those exposing this (at one time unlawful) snooping thrown in jail as reward for their courageous sacrifice.

As I said, you're an idiot.

I haven't commented on my approval, or lack thereof, of security service surveillance methods.

My comments have been directed towards these self appointed 'truth revealers' who you so idolise. They are in positions which give them access to confidential information, but not the processes that accompany it. It's all fine and dandy when the information being released is info that YOU approve of being public, but how would you feel if another whistleblower released the names of all the pot dealers in your area who were then promptly arrested? How about releasing the names and addresses of left wing activists to fascist groups? Troop movements to IS?

There is a need for secrecy in certain matters, and people like Manning and Snowden aren't people who I want making the decisions on what those should or shouldn't be.

 

[Spymaster]

Most cars incorporate the WiFi/SatNav access into the main loom for cost reasons, as far as I know there are only 2 manufacturers that have a discreet loom for the WiFi/SatNav, thus isolating access to all the drive by wire controls (which include amongst others Accelerator, brakes, Traction Control/Steering), those 2 are Mercedes and (wait for it) Audi/VW.


But yeah, a lot of cars are vulnerable.

Ok, but to genuinely hijack a vehicle remotely you need to be able to do more than start/stop, flash the lights and turn the wipers on and off.

I can see how it may be possible to affect throttle and braking via cruise control, and perhaps steering if the car is a self-parker or maybe has lane assistance, but in vehicles where there is no link to the mechanics of those systems, how would they be able to affect them?

It's bollocks.

 

[not-bono-ever]

I can see how you could use this to render a car immobile remotely, but to take control is a bit far fetched and at present, a bit of a dead end

 

[snadge]

I can see how you could use this to render a car immobile remotely, but to take control is a bit far fetched and at present, a bit of a dead end

This is true, ATM it is just scaremongering but it is not without possibility, separating Bluetooth/Wifi/SatNav onto a unique loom + black box from the car ECU and loom is the easiest and safest way of eliminating the possible problem.

 

[not-bono-ever]

Or just drive a Cortina...

 

[mikey mikey]

As I said, you're an idiot.

I know. And you also called a person brave enough to face a court-martial and a lifetime in jail in order to expose war crimes as a "fuckwit". I am honoured to be in the company of your contempt.

As I said, you're an idiot.

I haven't commented on my approval, or lack thereof, of security service surveillance methods.

Your condemnation of the whistleblowers that keep such Intelligence services in check implies it. By all means, prove me wrong by condemning CIA/GCHQ practices.

It's all fine and dandy when the information being released is info that YOU approve of being public, but how would you feel if another whistleblower released the names of all the pot dealers in your area who were then promptly arrested?

I wouldn't care. I don't smoke pot or take any illlegal drugs. I don't fit into the "pinko pothead" stereotype so often found within the pages of the Mail, Express or Telegraph, I'm afraid. Besides, why would whistleblowers inform on street dealers? That's a bizarre comparison.

How about releasing the names and addresses of left wing activists to fascist groups? Troop movements to IS?

Well GCHQ already have the names an addresses of political activists and the CIA have a history of collaborating with fascists in pursuit of left wing activists. As for whistelblowers helping IS, ffs! And you say that I'm stupid.

There is a need for secrecy in certain matters, and people like Manning and Snowden aren't people who I want making the decisions on what those should or shouldn't be.

Tough shit. It's gonna keep happening.

 

[TomUS]

I'm shocked....shocked to discover the CIA is doing it's job......spying.....in this case mainly on communications. What's the big surprise? So far, I've seen no evidence in this leak these spy techniques were used on US citizens, just that they could be. That would cross the legal line. Spying on anyone outside the US is a legitimate CIA function, just as other countries intel agencies do. It's a good leak.

 

[gosub]

As I said, you're an idiot.

I haven't commented on my approval, or lack thereof, of security service surveillance methods.

My comments have been directed towards these self appointed 'truth revealers' who you so idolise. They are in positions which give them access to confidential information, but not the processes that accompany it. It's all fine and dandy when the information being released is info that YOU approve of being public, but how would you feel if another whistleblower released the names of all the pot dealers in your area who were then promptly arrested? How about releasing the names and addresses of left wing activists to fascist groups? Troop movements to IS?

There is a need for secrecy in certain matters, and people like Manning and Snowden aren't people who I want making the decisions on what those should or shouldn't be.

tbf i didn't think Manning and Snowden leaked any personel files just Ops manuals

 

[Spymaster]

I wouldn't care. I don't smoke pot or take any illlegal drugs. I don't fit into the "pinko pothead" stereotype so often found within the pages of the Mail, Express or Telegraph, I'm afraid. Besides, why would whistleblowers inform on street dealers? That's a bizarre comparison.

Christ.

Well GCHQ already have the names an addresses of political activists and the CIA have a history of collaborating with fascists in pursuit of left wing activists. As for whistelblowers helping IS, ffs!

Oh dear.

Tough shit.

Not my tough shit. I'm not (quite rightly) banged-up in Leavenworth, holed-up in an embassy, or on an enforced holiday in sunny Russia!

 

[Spymaster]

tbf i didn't think Manning and Snowden leaked any personel files just Ops manuals

Hardly the point though, is it?

What if they had, or if someone else does?

Would they be heroes too?

 

[gosub]

Hardly the point though, is it?

What if they had, or if someone else does?

Would they be heroes too?

Yeah its exactly the point. Outing spooks is not the same as going public on techniques. It would, I agree, be beyond the pale. Ops manuals different kettle of fish especially since oversight of the sector is at best a veneer.

 

[mikey mikey]

So far, I've seen no evidence in this leak these spy techniques were used on US citizens, just that they could be. That would cross the legal line. Spying on anyone outside the US is a legitimate CIA function, just as other countries intel agencies do.

Bwahahaha!

1967 August 15


CIA Begins Spying on Anti-Vietnam War Movement – Under LBJ’s Orders


Convinced that foreign governments were behind anti-Vietnam War protests, President Lyndon Johnson ordered Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) Director Richard Helms to begin spying on the anti-war movement.

CIA Begins Spying on Anti-Vietnam War Movement – Under LBJ’s Orders

Besides, here's the loophole: GCHQ spy on Americans and "share inteligence" with the CIA. It's called Five Eyes. So you're fucked just like the rest of us.

Five Eyes - Wikipedia

 

[mikey mikey]

I'm not (quite rightly) banged-up in Leavenworth, holed-up in an embassy, or on an enforced holiday in sunny Russia!

GFY.

Braver and wiser people suffer on your account.

Give yourself a pat on the back.

 

[Spymaster]

Braver and wiser people suffer on your account.

Not on mine. The people putting them in prison are working on my account.