Vault 7 - Massive Wikileaks release on CIA eavesdropping

[redsquirrel]

I feel so much safer now that the security services are less able to spy on potential terrorists.
They should devise a relevant punishment for the morons who release data like this.

Late to the party I know, but christ your'e a fucking moron.

 

[SpookyFrank]

The truth will always win? I take it yer man Assange doesn't have much access to newspapers in that embassy of his

 

[squirrelp]

"Firmware version 1118+ eliminated the current USB installation method"
Weeping Angel (Extending) Engineering Notes

Well this is talking about installation. So yes it is like a bug, the TV is the bug. They weren't coming into your house to plant it. You were buying the bug and planting it yourself. They were hitting up the TVs in advance (presumably).

Not only that but there is the word 'eliminated' in your title.

It kind of proves the point that you see this quite literally Orwellian device as unremarkable.

 

[mauvais]

As you and Bernie suggest, they will be doing lots of speculative security research to find vulnerabilities in consumer products, be it your TV, phone or car.

On the one hand, it's hard work. It's a moving target, both in terms of the narrow window between products being introduced and becoming obsolete, and in terms of bugs being fixed. It may be useless if your person of interest that you don't even know about yet drives the wrong car or uses the wrong kind of phone. And it depends on use case. They develop the means to hack your car but you haven't bothered to pair your phone, so again it's no use.

But on the other, overall it adds up to a broad capability set, and can yield surprising dividends. Hack into a Jeep, say, and you've probably got the same capability across all Fiat-Chrysler vehicles of that era, because the software is common. Breach a version of Android in some core way and you're talking big numbers.

 

[Spymaster]

Late to the party I know, but christ your'e a fucking moron.

Why is he?

Recognising that there is a need for the some of the work carried out by the security services is in no way condoning everything that they do or supporting "the killing of children and brown people".

The morons here are those like Mikey Mikey and possibly yourself who think in binary terms such as good or bad when it comes to secret services.

 

[mikey mikey]

The morons here are those like Mikey Mikey and possibly yourself who think in binary terms such as good or bad when it comes to secret services.

Straw man: At no point have I suggested that there be no secret services. The bivalent thinking is your own: i.e. exposing and condemnation of activities of the CIA and GCHQ that they should not be doing is tantamount to treason.

Arsehole.

 

[Spymaster]

Straw man: At no point have I suggested that there be no secret services.

So you agree that there is a need for services such as the CIA, MI5/6, etc?

 

[mikey mikey]

They're a necessary evil. One which needs careful checks, in order to avoid abuse of human rights. That shouldn't need explaining.

 

[Spymaster]

They're a necessary evil.

Well done.

One which needs careful checks, in order to avoid abuse of human rights.

But those checks cannot be the publication of confidential documents at the whim of any low level operative who feels it necessary. As I've explained to you.

 

[mauvais]

Straw man: At no point have I suggested that there be no secret services. The bivalent thinking is your own: i.e. exposing and condemnation of activities of the CIA and GCHQ that they should not be doing is tantamount to treason.

Arsehole.

Which things shouldn't they be doing?

 

[DotCommunist]

backing coups in foriegn countries, training right wing death squads, using cocaine as a black currency, infiltrating harmless domestic movements etc. Oh and listening in on eeveyone just in case.

 

[DotCommunist]

oh and killing employees then leaving them bagged up in a bath. Bad show.

 

[mikey mikey]

backing coups in foriegn countries, training right wing death squads, using cocaine as a black currency, infiltrating harmless domestic movements etc. Oh and listening in on eeveyone just in case.

You can add assasintaion attempts on national leaders, torture, training in torure, extraordinary rendition and experimentation on unwilling targets.
Human rights violations by the CIA - Wikipedia

 

[mauvais]

You missed out kicking puppies to death.

If I must be pedantic: what, relating to eavesdropping research, hacking of products etc, should they not be doing?

 

[mikey mikey]

Well, as a rough guidleine, the Fourth Amendment to the American constitution is where the CIA should draw the line.

Likewise MI5 and MI6 for the UK's remaining time in the EU should abide by Article 8 of the European Convention on Human Rights.

After Brexit I imagine May will be free to create the police state Orwell had always imagined. The population will love it, I imagine.

 

[mauvais]

In saying that, you seem to be calling for tightly bound warrant-based interception & surveillance, which I agree with, but it doesn't have much inherent bearing on capability R&D, only its usage.

 

[redsquirrel]

Why is he?

Recognising that there is a need for the some of the work carried out by the security services is in no way condoning everything that they do or supporting "the killing of children and brown people".

The morons here are those like Mikey Mikey and possibly yourself who think in binary terms such as good or bad when it comes to secret services.

Because anyone who isn't a dribbling idiot must be aware of the long list of crimes that the security services of the both the UK and the US (and pretty much every other countries) have got up to. Crimes that they had spent much effort covering up by both legal and illegal means. Every step of uncovering their antics has had to be made in opposition to them see for example after the revelations that British security services used other regimes as torturers by proxy (illegally) their arguments that they should not have to reveal such information.

The CIA, FBI, MI5, MI6 etc aren't there to protect the citizens of the US/UK they're their to protect the powerful. How does conspiring with unionist paramilitary groups to murder civil rights lawyers protect people? How does smearing/blackmailing/framing/killing civil rights groups, environmental groups, unions help people? How does overthrowing democratically elected governments make us safer?

The security services and the people who work in them are scum, everything that exposes the shit they do is good.

 

[Spymaster]

backing coups in foriegn countries, training right wing death squads, using cocaine as a black currency, infiltrating harmless domestic movements etc. Oh and listening in on eeveyone just in case.

OK, but how much of what Snowden and Manning leaked has anything to do with the above? Most of the Snowden stuff was on information gathering. EVEN IF THEY WERE publishing information pertaining to what you find objectionable, they are releasing thousands of documents much of which they may not have read or understood. The point being, they, along with Wikileaks, are not the people who should be keeping Mikey's checks and balances.

 

[DotCommunist]

in the absence of democracy and an accountable security apparatus theres little else is there. Still think assange is a wrong un tho.

 

[mikey mikey]

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[mikey mikey]

In saying that, you seem to be calling for tightly bound warrant-based interception & surveillance, which I agree with, but it doesn't have much inherent bearing on capability R&D, only its usage.

Well you and I may agree with it, and the CIA and MI5 may agree to it, but it seems that without whistleblowers, the difference to what they say they agree to and what they go ahead and do anyway, we aren't to know.

 

[Spymaster]

The morons here are those like Mikey Mikey and possibly yourself who think in binary terms such as good or bad when it comes to secret services.

The security services and the people who work in them are scum, everything that exposes the shit they do is good.

QED

 

[DotCommunist]

You missed out kicking puppies to death.

if they thought it could have got Castro they'd have kicked battersea dogs home to death. No their style is more mutilating cats

 

[Spymaster]

Still think assange is a wrong un tho.

On this we can agree.

 

[mauvais]

Well you and I may agree with it, and the CIA and MI5 may agree to it, but it seems that without whistleblowers, the difference to what they say they agree to and what they go ahead and do anyway, we aren't to know.

That's as may be, but this thread seems to be about - and I haven't looked into it in much more detail, tbf - a release of information about capability & techniques, rather than usage. The two are obviously intertwined but to reveal all the capability is not about holding the authorities to account regarding its use, it's about weakening their entire capacity in any situation, good or bad.

 

[mikey mikey]

OK, but how much of what Snowden and Manning leaked has anything to do with the above?

Guantanamo Bay files leak - Wikipedia

ffs you nob. Do a bit of googling.

The point being, they, along with Wikileaks, are not the people who should be keeping Mikey's checks and balances.

Actually the Freedom Act in 2015 which resored many of the checks and balances that had been removed in the Patriot Act, was in direct response to Snowden's leak. So, American have Edward to thank for that.

USA Freedom Act - Wikipedia

 

[Spymaster]

Guantanamo Bay files leak - Wikipedia

You utter fucking twat. What there relates to Dotski's list of government naughtiness that I quoted? Nice edit to exclude my next sentence too. You bullshitting wanker.

 

[mikey mikey]

it's about weakening their entire capacity in any situation, good or bad.

Ironically, by installing these back doors, they have made citizens more vulnerable to criminals and terrorists. And to add inlut to injury, those citizens were paying to be compromised with their tax dollars.

 

[Spymaster]

...it's about weakening their entire capacity in any situation, good or bad.

Bingo.

 

[mikey mikey]

You utter fucking twat. What there relates to Dotski's list of government naughtiness that I quoted? Nice edit to exclude my next sentence too. You bullshitting wanker.

Torture.