Ukraine

[pocketscience]

Well that was addressed to SovietArmy (who is happy to make uninformed comments on the intelligence of people he's not met, yet fails to proofread his own posts). But since you bring it up, who have they picked then? I read the Nulands tape as a tension between the EU and the US (and Russia of course, who are the chief suspect for bugging the call and releasing the recording), who are vyeing with each for a controlling influence over the next government of Ukraine. But that's the problem in a nutshell, Ukrainians want candidates who are working for their own country, not for the EU, Russia or the US. If all other options seem like puppets for foreign governments, then Svoboda (with its strong nationalist rhetoric) will become much more popular by default. Yet Ukraine is too politically valuable for the surrounding powers to allow them to choose their own way.

So if Klitschko were to be as intelligent as his PhD suggests, he'd be running with an entirely different agenda. Either his doctorate came free in a packet of corn flakes or he's lining his own pockets with Ardenauer Stiftung funds. Probably both.

 

[Teaboy]

So if Klitschko were to be as intelligent as his PhD suggests, he'd be running with an entirely different agenda. Either his doctorate came free in a packet of corn flakes or he's lining his own pockets with Ardenauer Stiftung funds. Probably both.

tbf he must be a massively wealthy man in his own right, you don't get to be a heavyweight champ as long as he was without earning a few quid.

 

[pocketscience]

That's not the way money and power works though is it. If so, all the world's billionaires would have retired long ago with only a fraction of their wealth.

 

[gamma globulins]

tbf he must be a massively wealthy man in his own right, you don't get to be a heavyweight champ as long as he was without earning a few quid.

$65 million
http://www.therichest.com/celebnetworth/category/athletes/boxer/page/3/

So if Klitschko were to be as intelligent as his PhD suggests, he'd be running with an entirely different agenda. Either his doctorate came free in a packet of corn flakes or he's lining his own pockets with Ardenauer Stiftung funds. Probably both.

Sadly I don't believe that intelligence and political agendas have much of a correlation.

 

[camouflage]

Interesting article here on the monothought-clique that dominates the US media on Russia:

The now exceedingly dangerous confrontation between the two Ukraines was not “ignited,” as the Times claims, by Yanukovych’s duplicitous negotiating—or by Putin—but by the EU’s reckless ultimatum, in November, that the democratically elected president of a profoundly divided country choose between Europe and Russia. Putin’s proposal for a tripartite arrangement, rarely if ever reported, was flatly rejected by US and EU officials.

http://www.thenation.com/article/178344/distorting-russia#

 

[pocketscience]

$65 million

Peanuts compared to what he could have.
Apparenty he's "spent" all the money he'd already received from the Conrad Ardenauer Stiftung (Merkels CDU Party slush fund).
Now he's back in Berlin asking for a further 610 Million!
http://www.spiegel.de/politik/ausla...-und-arsenij-jazenjuk-in-berlin-a-954069.html
Like I said, lining his pockets...

 

[Barking_Mad]

A pretty tense looking stand off, live on RT:

http://rt.com/on-air/ukraine-central-kiev-protest/

 

[Casually Red]

Yesterday the Ukranian government amnestied all those held as a result of disturbances in return for a promise of peace....should be born in mind also that a district judge who presided over the arrests of fascist demonstrators was assassinated just last week in what may well be linked to a series of assassinations of police also.
Today the fascists response to that was a massive escalation of violence. Kllitshko and the nazis presented the Ukrainian parliament with a bill that pretty much overthrew the Ukrainian constitution, and demanded it be passed. When the majority refused ..because its illegal and unconstitutional, effectively a coup..their supporters pretty much went berserk and began occupying and then burning government buildings in violation of the previous days agreement. Conciliation with fascists plainly doesnt work very well. The Svoboda leader claims their supporters were provoked, apparently by the governments refusal to pass their coup legislation .
BBC are reporting up to 7 dead. At least one a government employee burned to death in of the attacked buildings. Possibly 3 protestors may well have managed to burn themselves to death in another, RT reporting 5 police with gunshot wounds . Also up to a thousand government supporters taking to the streets alongside the cops. Looted trucks being driven into police lines, cops also being held hostage.

yup..it has well and truly kicked off again, and looks pretty deadly by all accounts. This may not end well.

 

[J Ed]

Death toll at 7 http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/feb/18/ukraine-protesters-clash-police-reform

 

[gamma globulins]

Kllitshko and the nazis presented the Ukrainian parliament with a bill that pretty much overthrew the Ukrainian constitution, and demanded it be passed. When the majority refused ..because its illegal and unconstitutional, effectively a coup..

Thanks for that totally unbiased summary.

As I understand it they want to repeal the current constitution and restore the 2004 (orange revolution) constitution, which would remove a large portion of power from the president and returning it to the parliament. The talk of restoring previous constitutions is complicated however as the current (2010) constitution is a restoration of the 1996 constitution (instituted under President Kuchma, who was accused of fraud, corruption, and trying to silence free speech and protest). There might be something of a trend emerging....

 

[J Ed]

Now nine

 

[J Ed]

Live footage here, lots of explosions http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...s-the-ongoing-crackdown-in-ukraine/?tid=sm_fb

 

[ItWillNeverWork]

Yanukovych now meeting with the opposition to come to some sort of agreement to 'calm things down' according to Sky News.

 

[J Ed]

'Democratic' Ukrainian vexillophile..

 

[ItWillNeverWork]

'Democratic' Ukrainian vexillophile..

That taken today?

 

[butchersapron]

The fascists - and that's what they are now - have no chance of this offensive working. It's not supposed to. It's supposed to catapult those they act for into joint power - a way for them to get their hands on that big big money. Ideology is only on the ground. Muscle.

 

[rekil]

What's the source of the Hitler one and what does the caption say?

 

[butchersapron]

What's the source of the Hitler one and what does the caption say?

Note the wolfshook on the sidewall. Sceptical about the hitler bit.

 

[frogwoman]

'Hitler vizvolitel' whatever that means

 

[ItWillNeverWork]

'Hitler vizvolitel' whatever that means

What picture are we talking about?

 

[butchersapron]

What picture are we talking about?

This one:

 

[DaveCinzano]

What picture are we talking about?

The one of Hitler with “ГІТЛЕР” and something else written on it

 

[ItWillNeverWork]

Doesn't seem to be displaying, but that translates as 'Hitler the Liberator' I think.

 

[butchersapron]

I think someone put the hitler thing on as a result of the wolfshook and other things in order to say - if you tolerate this then look, you've got hitler.

 

[rekil]

Note the wolfshook on the sidewall. Sceptical about the hitler bit.

It can't be legit surely.

 

[butchersapron]

If gen, then they have fucked it.

 

[butchersapron]

It can't be legit surely.

I just can't see it.

 

[rekil]

What picture are we talking about?

Genuine lol at this btw

it's the hat isn't it. It makes him look younger.

 

[DaveCinzano]

Doesn't seem to be displaying, but that translates as 'Hitler the Liberator' I think.

Damn you Just figured that out thanks to the wonders of modern technology:

ГІТЛЕР ВИЗВОЛИТЕЛЬ = HITLER THE LIBERATOR

 

[butchersapron]

Time thing on this ain't right. This is from the liberated space weeks ago. And the hitler pic - nah.

These people are part of the offensive tonight - not hanging stuff up.