Ukip - why are they gaining support?
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butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Quotes taken from when he was a tory MEP btw
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
Interesting choice of candidate. I suppose there is the E.Mids MEP thing, but being such a recent convert...it's literally just 2 years since he defected from the nasty party...hmmm...looks like they really want to rub it in.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
May not expect to win as he's already on the UKIP list for e.mids again where he'd almost def get a seat.
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
but he'd have made that Euro decision ages ago, no?
youngian
Well-Known Member
He resigned in protest because they wouldn't pick a man who published golliwog picturebooks as his successor.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Yep - that's what i'm saying he's #1 on the euro list, almost guaranteed a seat, so he was picked in the expectation of putting up a pro campaign and not damaging any other potential UKIP up and comers.
Oh hang on, he'll be an MEP in June then won't he? He won't be able to stand. Very odd.
edit: no, he can stand, he just can't take the seat if he wins, unless he resigns as MEP.
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
yep, and in protest at Warsi...apparently.
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
Can they change the list order at this late stage?
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Don't know but don't think it matters now on further investigation - as i think he's rather be an MP...
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
They just want an MP and i don't think they care too much who it is at this point. They just need one person to break through the barrier that they can point to them come may 215
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ferrelhadley
There is no love between us anymore.
Helmer should be entertaining. He is nuttier than squirrel shit.
Now he is out on point for UKIP.
redsquirrel
This Machine Kills Progressives
I don't think it matters, I'm not 100% sure but I think if an MEP retires the party who won the seat basically get to appoint whoever they want as their replacement. So there's no real problem with him running, and getting elected, as an MEP and then running for Westminster.
SpackleFrog
Smash showy bell-bottom pants and sporty haircuts
Do they want an MP before 2015? Why not stand Farage if they really want to win?
SpackleFrog
Smash showy bell-bottom pants and sporty haircuts
The Tories are odds on to retain the Newark seat by the way. Shortest odds available on UKIP are 3/1.
http://www.oddschecker.com/politics/british-politics/newark-by-election/winning-party
http://www.oddschecker.com/politics/british-politics/newark-by-election/winning-party
youngian
Well-Known Member
I think Ian Paisley was an MP and MEP at the same time. Inspiration for Helmer.
redsquirrel
This Machine Kills Progressives
Yes but the rules have changed since then, you can't hold both positions simultaneously anymore.
SpackleFrog
Smash showy bell-bottom pants and sporty haircuts
I have a suspicion there is a different system in place in Northern Ireland though.
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
he must have been coining it with that many hats
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Course they do! Trouble is Farage would be damaged by running and failing though - in one year he can pick any seat he likes.
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
Yes, and as we've speculated before...he's already picked it. Laura Sandys knows this.
SpackleFrog
Smash showy bell-bottom pants and sporty haircuts
Hmmm, so its better that Helmer runs the risk of losing... But even so, I mean they must want to maintain the momentum they have going in to the election, would having an MP help them do that? Could feasibly cost them 3 or 4 MP's next year.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
I'd have advised Farage to go for it.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
And here's my reasoning: farage is the only nationally known and credible candidate they have. They have a year to attract other such candidates - either from across the political divide, from business etc and doing so is key to turning current high levels of support into something substantial. A Farage victory would be likely to demonstrate that the careerist hopes of these types might not go for a burton if they join UKIP - and the potential immediate/medium term benefits of getting some credible candidates on board would easily outweigh any damage if he didn't win.
DownwardDog
Riding a Brompton with a power meter.
I reckon NF quite enjoys life in Bruxelles and wouldn't be keen to give it up.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
What a daft thing to say.
Dogsauce
I’ve got Skol but I’m not a Scholar
Helmer was picked at a local hustings (as things should be, and a marked contrast to the Tory parachute), so I don't think it implies any particular strategy - I don't think they're that organised or scheming. It's one of their (few) charms.
There's the risk that if Helmer wins then he'll become a different focus to nige and that might not be useful to the party, particularly with some of crap he's come out with (alongside the comments highlighted in the media there's tons more lower-level reactionary bullshit). Can't see him appealing to younger voters, but then they vote in fewer numbers and UKIP don't need them or have to act on their concerns (similar strategy to the current government in that respect, pensioners 'triple locked', EMA scrapped).
There's the risk that if Helmer wins then he'll become a different focus to nige and that might not be useful to the party, particularly with some of crap he's come out with (alongside the comments highlighted in the media there's tons more lower-level reactionary bullshit). Can't see him appealing to younger voters, but then they vote in fewer numbers and UKIP don't need them or have to act on their concerns (similar strategy to the current government in that respect, pensioners 'triple locked', EMA scrapped).
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