Ukip - why are they gaining support?

[Streathamite]

I heard he was more of a Milky Bar type of fella.

Badoom-TISH!

 

[Joe Reilly]

I heard he was more of a Milky Bar type of fella.

Very droll.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Very droll.

Couldn't resist, frankly.

 

[butchersapron]

The question UKIP has now is how they are going to harness this short wave of anger, how they're going to integrate it into their activity - to keep the people it washes up.

 

[Joe Reilly]

It occurs to me that Farage has missed a huge trick: after he got chased out of Scotland, he could have said that it was such a shame as he was going to speak on the importance of having a referendum..../quote]

It looks like like he might have missed another one. Nick Griffin has just laid flowers at the site. The first 'national' political figure to do so

 

[The39thStep]

What kind of rants were they?

The whole sorry saga of Abu Hamsa to immigration to Enoch was right to one law for them , they want to turn the country into a Muslim state. etc

 

[butchersapron]

Now UKIP leader Nigel Farage sets his sights on working-class Labour voters

 

[1%er]

When is the next big test, is it the Euro elections 2014 or are there elections prior to that?

 

[butchersapron]

Euro 2104. By elections inbetween i expect - and hope. There are tests, proper tests, just not electoral tests, before then. To clean the stable, to build up a trusted competent layer around Farage and to establish some roots in w/c areas.

 

[Dan U]

Bit of a transposition there I think butchers!

 

[butchersapron]

Not sure i follow Dan.

 

[Dan U]

2104? Not 2014?

Unless I have missed the joke of course, entirely likely

 

[JimW]

Not sure i follow Dan.

You've got 2104 not 2014 - the very long march through the institutions!

 

[where to]

Definitely a mistake. Its a world cup that year.

 

[butchersapron]

Blame palace

 

[treelover]

We need a Eurosceptic party of the centre left

I left Ukip, the party I founded, when it became a magnet for bigots. But what happened to leftwing opposition to the EU?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/may/28/we-need-eurosceptic-party-centre-left

Alan Sked, who helped set up UKIP is now calling for a UKIP of the centre left, some remarkably compassionate ok policies, but a dubious character

 

[Dogsauce]

Maybe that's just a sinister plan to split the 'centre left' to compensate for the damage done to the tory vote.

 

[butchersapron]

Sked is a bitter old fool still angry at farage who he has tried to suggest is privately an open racist before. Talking of UKIP and the far-right, what happened to Sked's former BNP mate and UKIP NEC member Mark Deavin who he brought into the party and who edited the anti-semitic booklet that Nick Griffin was found guilty of inciting racial hatred for? Not with a shitty bargepole.

 

[butchersapron]

UKIP will be be very very happy indeed that the European Commission’s today decided to take the UK to the European Court of Justice over the ‘right to reside’ test applied to EU migrants trying to access certain welfare benefits - weeks and weeks of eu/immigration/benefits stuff coming up. Cameron will be fuming - silly backfiring sort of warning from EU to him to stop messing about that actually means he can only move even further towards the euroscpetics in the party and nationally.

Useful factual summary here.

 

[brogdale]

UKIP will be be very very happy indeed that the European Commission’s today decided to take the UK to the European Court of Justice over the ‘right to reside’ test applied to EU migrants trying to access certain welfare benefits - weeks and weeks of eu/immigration/benefits stuff coming up. Cameron will be fuming - silly backfiring sort of warning from EU to him to stop messing about that actually means he can only move even further towards the euroscpetics in the party and nationally.

Useful factual summary here.

Drunken Shit just now on R4 arguing the toss over this issue. I think, (if my hearing was correct), he dismissed Falange's contribution to the discussion as "gash comments".

 

[treelover]

It looks like like he might have missed another one. Nick Griffin has just laid flowers at the site. The first 'national' political figure to do so

was this on the news?

 

[Idris2002]

Alan Sked, who helped set up UKIP is now calling for a UKIP of the centre left, some remarkably compassionate ok policies, but a dubious character

One of those who fancies himself as a philosopher king, but is unfortunately not as smart as he thinks he is.

He starts out with a boilerplate attack on "the sleep of reason breeds monsters" thing and then repeats all the obvious tropes of the same rationalist progressivism he claims to deride. I mean, look at this, for g-d's sake:

Perhaps an independent Britain could negotiate a confederation of the British Isles with the Irish Republic to help solve Ireland's problems.

 

[Joe Reilly]

was this on the news?

It sure was. On the day he turned up.

 

[Quartz]

UKIP join anti-Tory alliance in Norfolk.

 

[goldenecitrone]

Alan Sked, who helped set up UKIP is now calling for a UKIP of the centre left, some remarkably compassionate ok policies, but a dubious character

NUKIP. They'll need a charismatic leader.

 

[DotCommunist]

no2eukip

 

[frogwoman]

maybe Proletarian democracy coul dhave a popular front with NUKIP

my ukip supporting nan was going on to me the other day about "the far right are rising all over europe and we'll be thrown out of the country" er yeah thanks gran, let me eat my dinner

she's scarily well informed, still goes to a politics discussion group for the elderly every week she loves Nigel Farage tho lol

 

[brogdale]

Drunken Shit just now on R4 arguing the toss over this issue. I think, (if my hearing was correct), he dismissed Falange's contribution to the discussion as "gash comments".

I've listened again, (27.40 - 28.05), and it does sound like he called Falange's statements "gash comments".

Unless my understanding of slang is woefully defecient, that sounds like a wholly inappropriate word for a minister of state to use?

 

[DotCommunist]

most unparliamentary language

 

[1%er]

This will give them a boost, Benefits for European migrants

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