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UCKG packing bags at the tills in tesco

They're doing Sainsburies as well

http://www.uckg.org/press/?p=35902

I've just complained to Tescos - on the grounds of being a offended homosexual customer. On their customer service feed back form they insist on giving both home and mobile number - I put random numbers in there and said so - asking them to reply by email.

Tell me which sainsburys and I'll complain to them too
 
I've just complained to Tescos - on the grounds of being a offended homosexual customer. On their customer service feed back form they insist on giving both home and mobile number - I put random numbers in there and said so - asking them to reply by email.

Tell me which sainsburys and I'll complain to them too

just seen the link sorry - thanks
 
If they tried to pack my bags I would have sent them packing but they haven't infiltrated Lidl Peckham yet. Put ol' Miltant to shame with their rampant entryism.
 
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If they tried to pack my bags I would have sent them packing but they haven't infiltrated Lidl Peckham yet. Put ol' Miltant to shame with their rampant entryism.
One of the former staff at Lidl in Acre Lane was a member. I say former staff because I have seen him hanging around socialising outside UCKG when I was waiting for a 59 bus several times up to quite recently - but haven't seen him in the Lidls for about year. He never brought his personal life into work AFAIK though.
 
A letter received after a friend of mine complained to Brixtons manager:

Good afternoon


Firstly thank you for your comments regarding the Christmas UCKG bag packing collection in my store, as discussed when a charity organisation contacts us they are checked by my internal team to confirm that they are a registered UK charity, this was the case with the UCKG organisation, it was also confirmed that they have done a similar bag packing exercise instore at Christmas over the last three years.

Following your feedback I will be contacting the head of fundraising for UCKG to understand how the monies raised will be spent within the Lambeth/London community, I have also put a process inplace to insure that more background checks are carried out by my line managers before future collections are authorised.

Once again thank you for bringing this matter to my attention.


Yours faithfully

Bryan Davis

Store manager

Looks a bit lip service will be interesting if they are back next year??
 
A letter received after a friend of mine complained to Brixtons manager:

Good afternoon


Firstly thank you for your comments regarding the Christmas UCKG bag packing collection in my store, as discussed when a charity organisation contacts us they are checked by my internal team to confirm that they are a registered UK charity, this was the case with the UCKG organisation, it was also confirmed that they have done a similar bag packing exercise instore at Christmas over the last three years.

Following your feedback I will be contacting the head of fundraising for UCKG to understand how the monies raised will be spent within the Lambeth/London community, I have also put a process inplace to insure that more background checks are carried out by my line managers before future collections are authorised.

Once again thank you for bringing this matter to my attention.


Yours faithfully

Bryan Davis

Store manager

Looks a bit lip service will be interesting if they are back next year??
i wonder if bryan davis will still be there
 
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I really don't think the Tesco head office would approve of proselytising religious groups packing bags for donations whether they're a registered charity or not.

It's dodgy and needs to be stopped. It's obviously a decision that's been made at local level without the knowledge or consent of head office.
 
There was an article on this in The Times yesterday. The online version is slightly different to the printed one so I'll have to type the relevant bit out but it seems Tesco have said: "We have a long history of working with local charities to fundraise in our stores. In this case, the community voiced strong concerns about the UCKG, so we have removed them from our list of approved groups."

Well done to everyone who complained.
 
I emailed tescos to complain and they replied, but weren't very apologetic - didn't say it wasn't their policy either ( which they did in the Times article) They said it was up to individual managers which local causes they allowed to collect. I insisted they pass on my complaint to him then.
 
There was an article on this in The Times yesterday. The online version is slightly different to the printed one so I'll have to type the relevant bit out but it seems Tesco have said: "We have a long history of working with local charities to fundraise in our stores. In this case, the community voiced strong concerns about the UCKG, so we have removed them from our list of approved groups."

Well done to everyone who complained.
Great result -let's hope they are investigated by the Charities commission this time !!!
 
perhaps people could download a few video clips, pictures of mansions etc onto their phones, would be handy if you felt the urge to do an impromptu multimedia presentation to the shopping aisle.

e2a hopefully they might be banned at all the big stores by next year.
 
Great result -let's hope they are investigated by the Charities commission this time !!!
I can't see what it has to do with the Charity Commission. The Charity Commission does not regulate churches. They do not investigate the money laundering at the Vatican Bank just because millions of British people put a few bob in the collection at Catholic Churches. And by all accounts the Charity Commission like the CoE to invest in the arms industry and tobacco to maintain a "balanced portfolio". I would not put your faith in the Charity Commission!

If the UCKG is committing criminal offences, money laundering etc then fair enough.
If they are a coercive cult encouraging belief in witchcraft, demonising gays etc then they should be exposed.

But to expect the Charity Commission to investigate them for collecting money in Tescos seems a bit extreme!
 
I can't see what it has to do with the Charity Commission. The Charity Commission does not regulate churches. They do not investigate the money laundering at the Vatican Bank just because millions of British people put a few bob in the collection at Catholic Churches. And by all accounts the Charity Commission like the CoE to invest in the arms industry and tobacco to maintain a "balanced portfolio". I would not put your faith in the Charity Commission!

If the UCKG is committing criminal offences, money laundering etc then fair enough.
If they are a coercive cult encouraging belief in witchcraft, demonising gays etc then they should be exposed.

But to expect the Charity Commission to investigate them for collecting money in Tescos seems a bit extreme!
I presume the poster meant the part about UCKG posing as a charity. I may be wrong.
 
I presume the poster meant the part about UCKG posing as a charity. I may be wrong.
Problem is that churches are charities by default, including UCKG.

Unlike France churches and mosques in Britain do not have to be registered by the state. That is one of the issues with rogue Islamic preachers - and rogue pentecostal churches practising exorcism/child abuse/mental cruelty.
I'm all in favour of regulation - but it is a sensitive subject and definitely not one the Charity Commission currently deals with.
 
They're back in Bethnal Green Tesco Metro, I politely informed the young man that packed my bag that I did not give money to the UCKG because I do not like their politics. He took it well, there was no nastiness in either direction but I would like to write to the manager.
 
Problem is that churches are charities by default, including UCKG.

Unlike France churches and mosques in Britain do not have to be registered by the state. That is one of the issues with rogue Islamic preachers - and rogue pentecostal churches practising exorcism/child abuse/mental cruelty.
I'm all in favour of regulation - but it is a sensitive subject and definitely not one the Charity Commission currently deals with.

How do you think the state should regulate us: dictate what we do; what we say what we believe? I'm a Quaker and we've spent centuries resisting of the above. What's wrong with freedom? What's wrong with enforcing existing laws against abuse and cruelty if religious groups break them.?

As to France, it's hardly a cohesive and United society, is it?
 
How do you think the state should regulate us: dictate what we do; what we say what we believe? I'm a Quaker and we've spent centuries resisting of the above. What's wrong with freedom? What's wrong with enforcing existing laws against abuse and cruelty if religious groups break them.?

As to France, it's hardly a cohesive and United society, is it?
I don't understand your reaction. I just looked up and there are 38 charities registered with the Charity Commission with the word "Quaker" in the title.
Charities matching your search ...

Is it that you are a libertarian don't believe charities should be registered?

Or do you as a latter day follower of George Fox think the Quakers have betrayed his beliefs, and hanker for the days when people like Fox saw a great light and then went direct to the nearest "Steeple House" to denounce the vicar as not of God, but the King's Man? And presumably likewise the Chairty Commission is the King's Commission?

Personally I think it highly unlikely that the Streatham Quakers on Brixton Hill would be minded to pack Christmas shopping for customers in Tescos as a fundraising or even a spiritual conversion exercise. If they did I think it is likely that any converts would suffer very little risk of harm from weekly meeting mostly consisting of silent meditation.

The problem with UCKG is it is a tithing church where members are compelled to pay to belong, maybe 10-15% of their income (even from benefit).
If you check UKCG charity commission details their DECLARED annual income to Feb 2018 was just under £15 million, which isn't bad
Charity overview
The potential for financial abuse (of members) is possibly less than the mental effects - conversion experiences from drug addict or homosexual to happily married men and women may be real, but they may be wishful thinking.

What about these weird "Chains of Prayer" offered by the Brazilian Bishops of UKCG to effect these miraculous cures? Is this to be put on a par with the Society of Friends prison visiting for example?
 
UCKG started in Brazil. Its part of s new recent growth in right wing Evangelical churches. Which have become very popular in Brazil. Will overtake Catholics in Brazil its said.

UCKG leader supported Bolsonaro. UCKG ideology fits in with a Neo Liberal capitalism. Pulling yourself up by your own bootstraps not relying on the state. Together with socially conservative views and belief in God.

Its a problem for the new Workers Party president Lula. Apart from being characterised as a godless Marxist his and his party support for socially liberal policies goes against the hard line socially conservative beliefs of UCKG members.

Part of Bolsonaro support came from right wing Evangelical church leaders.

Lula first time in power he didn't have to deal with them as the membership has grown a lot since then.
 
UCKG started in Brazil. Its part of s new recent growth in right wing Evangelical churches. Which have become very popular in Brazil. Will overtake Catholics in Brazil its said.

UCKG leader supported Bolsonaro. UCKG ideology fits in with a Neo Liberal capitalism. Pulling yourself up by your own bootstraps not relying on the state. Together with socially conservative views and belief in God.

Its a problem for the new Workers Party president Lula. Apart from being characterised as a godless Marxist his and his party support for socially liberal policies goes against the hard line socially conservative beliefs of UCKG members.

Part of Bolsonaro support came from right wing Evangelical church leaders.

Lula first time in power he didn't have to deal with them as the membership has grown a lot since then.
I know all that it’s why I reported them to Tesco for having the charity bag packing years ago. Tesco said they let branch managers choose the charity!
 
IIRC, the Charity Commission can investigate to establish if the organisation's charitable objectives are actually in-line with what qualifies as being a "chartitable objective" and also if the charity is fulfilling those objectives / obligations. It can be considered as fraud if a charity raises money under that 'objectives' umbrella and doesn't spend the money to [attempt to] achieve those objectives and instead spends it on something else.

As a result writing Charity objectives is a real PITA, you tie yourself into knots with being too specific / too general and tehn the CC picks holes in your efforts [and changes their criteria ] ...

for example - the RNLI as a charity "saves lives at sea" but could not use those 'general' funds to run specific museums / preserve historic artefacts & lifeboats [those aspects are now covered in a different way].


Personally, I think "Religion" as a "charity" in and of itself, as opposed to having "charitable purposes / objectives" needs very, very carefully examination and oversight.
And, that applies whatever flavour of religion is involved, whether that is a Christian, Islamic, Buddhist or 'whatever sect' is involved.
 
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IIRC, the Charity Commission can investigate to establish if the organisation's charitable objectives are actually in-line with what qualifies as being a "chartitable objective" and also if the charity is fulfilling those objectives / obligations. It can be considered as fraud if a charity raises money under that 'objectives' umbrella and doesn't spend the money to [attempt to] achieve those objectives and instead spends it on something else.

As a result writing Charity objectives is a real PITA, you tie yourself into knots with being too specific / too general and tehn the CC picks holes in your efforts [and changes their criteria ] ...

for example - the RNLI as a charity "saves lives at sea" but could not use those 'general' funds to run specific museums / preserve historic artefacts & lifeboats [those aspects are now covered in a different way].


Personally, I think "Religion" as a "charity" in and of itself, as opposed to having "charitable purposes / objectives" needs very, very carefully examination and oversight.
And, that applies whatever flavour of religion is involved, whether that is a Christian, Islamic, Buddhist or 'whatever sect' is involved.
They claim to support children, disabled people etc. They have symbols on their collecting buckets that are suspiciously similar to well know charities such as Mencap and British heart foundation.
 
They claim to support children, disabled people etc. They have symbols on their collecting buckets that are suspiciously similar to well know charities such as Mencap and British heart foundation.
As with cowboy builders pretending to be members of a trade body, report to the relevant organisation that their logo is appearing in such places.
 
As with cowboy builders pretending to be members of a trade body, report to the relevant organisation that their logo is appearing in such places.
I’m not that invested and don’t have any evidence. They are clearly a very powerful organisation so who knows whose strings they are caught up in?!?!
 
I know all that it’s why I reported them to Tesco for having the charity bag packing years ago. Tesco said they let branch managers choose the charity!

I pointed it out as this is an old thread. Since then in Brazil the evangelical churches have prospered. Becoming a significant sector of electorate.

Willingly gave support to Bolsonaro.

Despite him losing large areas of Brazil voted for him. Brazil is a very divided country.

The difference between Brazil and here is that this country doesn't "do religion" when it comes to politics. I'm not sure why. Its a difference between here and USA/ parts of south America like Brazil.
 
IIRC, the Charity Commission can investigate to establish if the organisation's charitable objectives are actually in-line with what qualifies as being a "chartitable objective" and also if the charity is fulfilling those objectives / obligations. It can be considered as fraud if a charity raises money under that 'objectives' umbrella and doesn't spend the money to [attempt to] achieve those objectives and instead spends it on something else.

So how do the Tufton Street lot get away with it?
 
So how do the Tufton Street lot get away with it?
Probably because the Charity Commission / HMRC [who deal with gift aid etc] are all very over-worked and can only deal [slowly] with a fraction of the things they should be over-seeing at any one time.
Also, I suspect that they actually need a serious / written complaint to start the ball rolling.
 
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