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increases the odds of direct turkey-syria conflict. the death sentence on rojava was pronounced a long time ago.
 
Flavour said:
increases the odds of direct turkey-syria conflict. the death sentence on rojava was pronounced a long time ago.
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In large part by themselves - or, by the PYD/PKK bosses. Most clearly and maddeningly stupidly - after years of much smaller subtle errors or sellouts - in cutting the costello road and allowing the regime, the russians, the iranians, the shia revenege jihadis to 'take' Aleppo. Putting any slim hope of wider anti-regime coalition to bed forever and ensuring any arab sdf forces were only ever going to be localised temp bodies and not going to defend any part of rojava against anyone. The great leaders spent the last few weeks removing defensive fortifications thinking the US would go, nah only joking.

What's the demand now usaf-pkk-anarchists now? US Forces in! More US intervention!
 
Trump's moodswings or 'unmatched wisdom' might be the best defender people in those areas have beyond suddenly becoming PKK bosses in the qandils.
 
teqniq said:
Looks like the Turks were confused as what was supposed to be going on at one point, which is not really surprising as Trump appears to be increasingly erratic with each passing day.

EXCLUSIVE: 'Work with us in Syria or get out of the way,' Erdogan told Trump
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I don't think they're confused. They just got cocky which made trump react in his obliteration way. I think the path was clear an the actions of the last few weeks have beaten the ground for it. Erdogan-clan thought they were better than trump at ego driven publicity and crowing.
 
Not having Turkey invade northern Syria would be nice. Look what happened and is still happening in Afrin. None of the foriegn powers who are in Syria should be, so no solution is really ideal but in excess of 10,000 Kurds died defeating ISIS militarily and if they are hung out to dry (something I have predicted more than once) you can be sure there will be a resurgence of the same. Currently they are holding many in prisons and have repeatedly asked Western nations to take those that came from our countries back. To little or no avail, I wonder why? Turkey under the AKP and Erdogan is not to be trusted at all, they acted as enablers for ISIS in the first place. The whole thing as usual is a shitshow.
 
So the staus quo? How? This means the pkk reconciliating with the regime. Then what with those ISIS prisoners? Of course, this is to be opposed - but not on sort of free the poor kurds basis, they helped us kill all those civilians in raqqa and environs, we owe them.

Last i heard it was a billion dead Kurdish heroes. Can we please differentiate between the kurds, the political party the pkk, their syrian affiliate the PYD and their militia the YPG/J and their USAF-coalition the SDF.
 
That's politicians style back covering stuff from line one - trump's role was simply to agree to the previous plan of Obama's - which he did. And the 'arming bit is utterly disingenuous given it was the fucking USAF obliterating swathes of the city and it's population. The coalition that he says funded the SDF rather than the US was a front for the US. They literately flew hundred of thousands of killing thousands of civs as they went. And guess who basically set that coalition up?
 
They've been drone attacking and all that in iraq near the SE border for a few days now. They're telling the bosses who run that they know where they plan to go i suspect. See the kill of the big KCK boss yesterday. But this is normal really.
 
The targeting of the qandil mountian bases of the pkk in iraq is totally normal. You must know that this is what i was referring to in my post?
 
What have the troops on the ground done today - they left their bases in the safe zone. Prior to this they dismantled all the defensive 'fortifications' that the PKK set up. That's what the military did.
 
butchersapron said:
So the staus quo? How? This means the pkk reconciliating with the regime. Then what with those ISIS prisoners? Of course, this is to be opposed - but not on sort of free the poor kurds basis, they helped us kill all those civilians in raqqa and environs, we owe them.
Last i heard it was a billion dead Kurdish heroes. Can we please differentiate between the kurds, the political party the pkk, their syrian affiliate the PYD and their militia the YPG/J and their USAF-coalition the SDF.
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Both Kurdish civilians and members of each of the organizations you mentioned have died fighting ISIS, Turkey and others. "this is to be opposed - but not on sort of free the poor kurds basis, they helped us kill all those civilians / Last I heard it was a billion dead Kurdish heroes" really reads more like you mocking them than a critique of some sort of failure to differentiate between ethnic and political groups.
 
Butchers,
What do you think of the possibility that many Kurdish fighters would slaughter the ISIS prisoners rather than release them and have to fight them all over again?
 
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