chilango
Hypothetical Wanker
Must dump all those on my Kindle for a re-read.
Turkey, ISIS, Kurds and Syria
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Must dump all those on my Kindle for a re-read.
teqniq
DisMembered
I suppose self-interest won out at the end of the day and really who can blame them when they've been consistently shat on from all directions for a very long time? Still it's a shame; it feels somewhat like a missed opportunity. I know its all vey well for me to sit here typing this when it's not me and my people whose lives are on the line, but even so.
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LDC
On est tous des pangolins
I too was a little surprised at the AFN prescence. Some elements of Plan C have been keen supporters of the Rojava project for a while. I chatted to an active Plan C person on the demo and they were fully aware of the issues brought up by BA here, and did say they needed to engage a bit more critically rather than cheerleading it quite so much.
LDC
On est tous des pangolins
I wouldn't be quite so quick to write the whole revolutionary potential of Rojava off yet personally.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
The continued existence of Rojava is dependent on the health of the wider revolution though - and their current actions are directly undermining that revolution, in fact they're helping to kill it in the north and work to further isolate it and target it in the south. It's bonkers bruno stuff.
teqniq
DisMembered
This is very true. The situation they currently find themselves in could not have come about without events taking place elsewhere and has to be seen in that context. My feeling is that the regime will use them so long as it's convenient, but given the opportunity will not hesitate to crush them.
Flavour
hang the bankers
It's partly emotional though innit. For the Kurds who saw and experienced the ISIS invasion and destruction, taking revenge and beating ISIS obviously takes priority, both tactically and morally, when between 2011-2014 the destruction in Kurdish areas from regime forces was comparatively little compared to both what the regime was doing elsewhere (Homs, Hamaa, ecc) and what ISIS has done since. Kobane lingers on.
Doesn't excuse regime collaboration obviously, and I think as time wears on the reality will sink in with the European left and for the moment the desire for a beacon of inspiration is drowning out calls for a reality check.
Doesn't excuse regime collaboration obviously, and I think as time wears on the reality will sink in with the European left and for the moment the desire for a beacon of inspiration is drowning out calls for a reality check.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
That's all true and not just on the emotional level - there's good solid reasons for the concentration of the two eastern cantons concentration on steadily removing isis from their areas rather than rushing to raqqa and inviting isis counter-attacks. I'm talking about attacking the FSA from afrin canton in the north Aleppo area and cutting off their supply routes under the cover of russian and regime air-attacks - effectively putting a noose around the necks of the surviving rebels in allepo city and idlib - then kicking out and occupying FSA control supply etc centres in the north Aleppo countryside and strategic positions under clear regime/russia direction.
(There was little or no regime destruction of Kurdish areas btw - they were ceded those cantons without a fight, the regime decided it couldn't defend them/wanted to concentrate on the real enemy and even then the kurdish controlled part of aleppo city was largely left alone/viewed as neutral).
(There was little or no regime destruction of Kurdish areas btw - they were ceded those cantons without a fight, the regime decided it couldn't defend them/wanted to concentrate on the real enemy and even then the kurdish controlled part of aleppo city was largely left alone/viewed as neutral).
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
There's an element of "but it's the new cause, dahling!", unfortunately. It happens with any remotely-radical occurrence that's amenable to co-optation by liberal types.
LDC
On est tous des pangolins
I agree, but it's a bit unclear as to how much division there is on these actions amongst the people on the ground and also amongst the people making the decisions, and also between them both. I still think it has some potential rather than being a doomed project in its entirety.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
...and we're off again. 27 dead in latest ankara bombing. One bomb promised for every dead kurd in cizre.
miss direct
misfungled
And this bomb, from the news I've seen, had no clear military aim but was at a public transport intersection in a busy shopping area.
And the BBC immediately quotes security sources immediately pinning it on PKK...
Riklet
procrastinación
Doesn't seem like a very typical Kurdish attack tho. No military or political targrt even.
Bares more of a resemblance to a Daesh or Jihadi opperation.
Given the current situation in Syria, might even be in their interest to muddy the waters and cause problems for the Kurds.
Bares more of a resemblance to a Daesh or Jihadi opperation.
Given the current situation in Syria, might even be in their interest to muddy the waters and cause problems for the Kurds.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
There is nothing for the turkish state to gain in terms of legitimacy or freedom to act - they just did whatever they wanted to across SE turkey and into iraq. They don't need anything else. The PKK though do need something to contain the energies of their younger members in these areas. And a hands off operation that everyone knows was committed with their work/approval would be one way of trying to do that.
Riklet
procrastinación
What I meant was IS or whichever Jihadi element (if they did carry out the attack, rather than the Kurds) seeking to make it seem like a Kurdish one. I dont know if that came across clearly in my post? Maybe not.
Since the vehicle was supposedly driven from Kurdistan, the attack targeted Ankara just like the previous one and it happened near to high importance stuff.... Is this a possibility we can rule out at this stage? No Kurdish claim of responsibility so far. There are claims it was a suicide bomber.
Might it not be in the interests of Daesh etc to create such a situation, given the current front against them in Syria?
I don't fully understand your post and im gonna re-read. I just wanted to clarify mine.
Flavour
hang the bankers
Turkey is fucked. This cycle of violence is only going to get worse. The state is already frustrated enough with the Russian involvement in Syria limiting its own influence. It's interesting to see how much of a blind eye nato / the United States are willing to turn to the misbehaviour of their allies. I fear that continued state repression combined with economic turmoil and the pressure of the migrant problem (how many Syrians in Turkey? I've heard 2-3 million) could create the conditions for full blown civil war there too.
Full-blown civil war is impossible. Who would fight whom?
miss direct
misfungled
Definitely not 2-3 million Syrians left. There's major discrepancy about the numbers. Turkey likes to say they host several million Syrian guests - the reality is somewhat different.
DrRingDing
'anti-human wanker'
It's a bit more complicated than 'National Liberation'.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Expand on that then.
DrRingDing
'anti-human wanker'
Politics innit bruv.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
so, offered the opp to say something, you can't.
DrRingDing
'anti-human wanker'
Do you think it's appropriate to mock those that stand in solidarity with the Kurdish resistance?
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
So, offered the opp to say something, you can't. Nothing.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
And it certainly is appropriate to mock you and your pathetic grandstanding, yes.
DrRingDing
'anti-human wanker'
Good to know.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Cheers for your input and insight.
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