Turkey, ISIS, Kurds and Syria

[trashpony]

Bomb explosion in Sultanahmet - heart of the tourist area in Istanbul. Deaths and injuries reported

It's just been reported on the BBC.

 

[frogwoman]

Oh no

 

[teqniq]

 

[gawkrodger]

count down until Erdogan claims it was by the PKK - 5, 4, 3,.....

 

[teqniq]

count down until Erdogan claims it was by the PKK - 5, 4, 3,.....

 

[gawkrodger]

so Turkish authorities saying it was ISIS, but Erdogan still manages a pop at the PKK

“Turkey’s determined position will not change. We don’t make any difference between the names or abbreviations (of terror groups).” “The first target of all the terror groups active in this region is Turkey. Because Turkey fights them all with the same determination.”

from the guardian live feed

 

[coley]

so Turkish authorities saying it was ISIS, but Erdogan still manages a pop at the PKK



from the guardian live feed

So,it will allowing free movement of PKK fighters and will also provide medical assistance to them?

 

[Flavour]

reports that most of the vicitims are German. this will only add fuel to the fire on the right. bad times.

 

[agricola]

reports that most of the vicitims are German. this will only add fuel to the fire on the right. bad times.

Especially if Erdogan does what he did after Suruc and Ankara, and bombs the victims.

 

[not-bono-ever]

reports that most of the vicitims are German. this will only add fuel to the fire on the right. bad times.

this will be massive in Germany obviously, but amongst german turks additionally.

no good news anywhere at the minute

 

[teqniq]

 

[TomUS]

Saudi cranks out the crazies. It's an industry for them.

 

[mather]

Saudi cranks out the crazies. It's an industry for them.

And a state policy.

 

[teqniq]

Five killed, 39 wounded in PKK bomb attack in southeast Turkey - Region - World - Ahram Online

 

[teqniq]

Turkey arrests academics over 'Kurdish massacres' petition

 

[J Ed]

 

[Jeremiah18.17]

War of words between Chomsky and Erdogan's continues - apparently Chomsky has called Erdogan's a murderer in an interview in response Erdogan's verbal attack on his endorsement of the academics and intellectuals statement on the regime's attack on Kurdish areas.
Chomsky: Erdoğan Is A Murderer.

 

[gawkrodger]

Also appears that Turkish forces have crossed the border into Jarabulus

 

[Jeremiah18.17]

Story from two days ago in Jerusalem Post: The Jerusalem Post

 

[coley]

Five killed, 39 wounded in PKK bomb attack in southeast Turkey - Region - World - Ahram Online

This Shyte will just go on and on until Erdogan is ousted, or as is more likely, gets a presidential system of government ( read dictator for life)

 

[teqniq]

This Shyte will just go on and on until Erdogan is ousted, or as is more likely, gets a presidential system of government ( read dictator for life)

Well yes. He seems to have taken a leaf out of the pages of the Arab Tyrant Manual compiled by Iyad El-Baghdadi.

 

[coley]

Well yes. He seems to have taken a leaf out of the pages of the Arab Tyrant Manual by Iyad El-Baghdadi.

Now, TBH I haven't being keeping up speed on developments on the area lately, but I think it's a safe bet he wants Baghdadis job.
He clearly wants to rid Turkey of any pretensions of a secular society, and somewhere in my musings the destruction of the tourist industry would be a big step in that direction.

 

[teqniq]

 

[teqniq]

Video shows Kurds waving white flag 'shot by Turkish soldiers'

A video has been shared allegedly showing Turkish forces firing on Kurdish civilians in the town of Cizre.

In the video, several civilians are shown waving white flags as they walk with a cart which appears to hold two covered bodies.

As they move through the streets, shots ring out, the crowd panics and runs to cover while the journalist continues to film.

Other footage, too graphic to show, shows several people lying motionless on the ground in pools of blood.

Shouting and screaming can be heard in the background.

I saw the original vid last night and it does indeed make for grim viewing.

 

[kebabking]

i'm not sure it will have any impact at all, from where i sit the rift - and genuine hostility - between the US/NATO, and Turkey, and in particular between the Obama Administration and Turkey, means that the Americans will just blatently ignore what they see as Turkish trolling rather than the previous path of trying to find a, on the face of it, mutually acceptable way around such issues.

the Turks are providing so little help to the Americans that while it would make life for diffiucult if they both went into full-on 'fuck off' mode, it wouldn't make it much more difficult, and it would remove a number of restrictive aspects to US operations. obviously there is a long term wish to keep Turkey inside the Tent, but in the short term i doubt you'd find anyone within either the administration or the Military/Intelligence Services who wouldn't jump for joy at seeing the back of Turkish influence/obstruction within US Syria policy...

 

[teqniq]

Well what with the airstrip inside Syria it definitely looks like they are at the very least keeping all their options open.

 

[purves grundy]

He says it's a fake, and if anyone else says it isn't a fake don't believe them.

Edward Snowden thinks that 'encrypted' Isis email is a fake

 

[Jeremiah18.17]

Leader of Greens attended HDP congress - Green Party | Natalie Bennett: Turkey must show respect for internationally accepted human rights

 

[Jeremiah18.17]

Guardian website today - Briton on fighting in Syria: 'I was terrified the entire way'

 

[YouSir]

Leader of Greens attended HDP congress - Green Party | Natalie Bennett: Turkey must show respect for internationally accepted human rights

US based Middle East Institute had the deputy HDP leader talk not long ago. Usual audience includes government types and the like. As well as think tanks, academics etc. Establishment basically.