tube party on june 1st?

[ajdown]

It's also a pretty good policy for working class tube drivers like me. It means we might have to look after a few less drunken fuckwits on a weekend.

... and pretty good for those who just want to get from A to B quietly and safely.

 

[Citizen66]

As I understand the law, if the train itself has a restaurant/buffet carriage or trolley service that serves alcohol, then you're allowed to consume alcohol on that train whether you bought it on the train or not. If the train does not have these facilities on-board then you are not allowed to consume alcohol.

Which isn't what Oswald was saying. Nor can you impose laws that don't apply everywhere.

Do you think they'll close the bars in Liverpool street station if consumption of alcohol and rail travel don't mix?

We both know the answer to that, don't we?

 

[Geoff Collier]

Lolz

Well they have a bar on the great North-eastern from Kings cross to Newcastle so I don't know where you're getting your information from.

More importantly, they also have toilets. As far as I know, there isn't a single public toilet anywhere on the London Underground - what did people do last night?

 

[laptop]

Three assumptions, only 1 is correct.

Oh do fuck off. A quick review of your posts reveals you to be a Tory and a petrolhead - whatever you call yourself.

The spin that services were suspended appears to have gone out through the Press Association - it shows up in papers in Canada. The Times and the Guardian don't repeat it: they presumably employ people who do use the Underground and do understand the difference between the police shutting a station and the line manager suspending a service.

 

[laptop]

As far as I know, there isn't a single public toilet anywhere on the London Underground

Be aware!

Need to use a toilet and you're on the tube? These stations have toilet facilities...

 

[ajdown]

Do you think they'll close the bars in Liverpool street station if consumption of alcohol and rail travel don't mix?

We both know the answer to that, don't we?

The Wetherspoons pub, whilst on railway property, is technically 'outside the station'. Once you get inside the clearly marked boundaries of Liverpool Street station, then no more alcohol. The pubs that surround the station are also outside the boundaries of railway property.

Pubs on railway stations are nothing to do with the railway companies themselves, they're just paying rent like a Burger King or Smiths would. The presence of a pub contributes nothing to the railway environment for the majority of travellers.

Anything that would encourage overpaid City wanks to go home after work and leave transport easier for people who actually live in London or have a purpose for being there has to be a good thing.

 

[netbob]

If people are drunk and they continue to drink on a train they get worse. It is a problem - it does exist.

It's a fairly good policy (though very poorly implemented) for working class tube drivers like me. It means we might have to look after a few less drunken fuckwits on a weekend.

Maybe. But I rarely saw people drinking on the tube, plenty of already pissed people though. I dont envy the people who are now going to have to ask those few people to stop drinking. Isnt that going to be dealing with more pissheads?

 

[Citizen66]

Pubs on railway stations are nothing to do with the railway companies themselves, they're just paying rent like a Burger King or Smiths would. The presence of a pub contributes nothing to the railway environment for the majority of travellers.

What, because getting pissed in the station before you board a train causes less social problems than getting on a train sober and drinking whilst you travel?

 

[Orang Utan]

Maybe they won't bother even enforcing this law

 

[Citizen66]

Maybe they won't bother even enforcing this law

Well I doubt the underground workers will add it to their list of duties, if that's who they expect to police it...

 

[Paulie Tandoori]

Londoner Matt Wynn, 43, a wanker, said: "I've come along with a bottle of champagne because I want to show that you can drink responsibly on the Tube and not cause trouble. It's going to be a bit of a stop-start evening, though, because there are no toilets on the Tube."

Peter Moore, 35, a sailor from Brighton, said he had downed a can of beer in 10 seconds. "It's sweaty on there, but I'm going round and round until I vomit," he said.

 

[Orang Utan]

Well I doubt the underground workers will add it to their list of duties, if that's who they expect to police it...

So, this law is just an empty gesture, isn't it?

 

[Citizen66]

So, this law is just an empty gesture, isn't it?

Until the BTP clock you doing it, I suppose it is, yes.

Oh, and self-righteous fellow travellers.

 

[laptop]

Oh, and self-righteous fellow travellers.

Looks as though that's what they're relying on - or, rather, what the announcement is for.

Heaven for people who like to go "tut!"

Boris Johnson’s alcohol ban on the Tube is impossible to enforce, unions claim

...staff working for Transport for London and British Transport Police will not have the power to fine passengers, and officials admitted that there would not be regular patrols of carriages.

Instead, Mr Johnson will rely on a “cultural shift” and self-policing to bring a halt to drinking in the same way that passengers help to enforce the Tube’s no-smoking rules.

...
The ban will be brought into force by changing the conditions of carriage on London transport, but until it is enshrined in a bylaw, which the mayor said would take about a year, there is no punishment available to transport staff except for ejection.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/crime/article3890097.ece

 

[Citizen66]

Heaven for people who like to go "tut!"

Me and my mate were just discussing the predictable British divide between the folk partying on the tube to celebrate the in-coming ban and everyone else calling the revellers 'disgraceful'

 

[detective-boy]

WTF? Station locked down, trains cancelled and lots of trouble caused all because people were having a drink on the tube before the drinking ban comes in? Overreact, much?

But it isn't a reaction to "people having a drink on the tube" in the way you imply, is it?

 

[Citizen66]

But it isn't a reaction to "people having a drink on the tube" in the way you imply, is it?

Well, no. Too many people on a platform at once plus too much alcohol and throw in some live rails waiting to catch anyone falling...

As Kill-Joyish as it sounds, the authorities had no alternative than to contain the, erm, 'party'.

 

[editor]

Of course if that Tory cunt Boris hadn't dreamt up this ludicrously ill-thought piece of pointless, knee jerk legislation, there'd be no need for the parties in the first place.

 

[winjer]

I was referring to the 1000 or so Facebookers that turned up and were 'locked in' at Liverpool Street on the main concourse, where you can get a signal.

No-one at any point was locked in at Liverpool Street.

And as for 'Facebookers'

 

[winjer]

Within 10 minutes of the Tube being shut, the heavy police presence

Where was there a heavy police presence within ten minutes of the tube being shut?

*Please note that a previously non-existant explicit banning of an activity does not mean that it is has, up until that point, been a 'right'.

That's the entire basis of the English legal system down the pan then...

 

[detective-boy]

I'm actually suprised, given the crowd at Liverpool Street and the tense atmosphere, that if this was duplicated at other stations there weren't more arrests.

The number of arrests rarely reflects the reality of what was happening in terms of incidents which actually merited arrest (let alone theoretically could have led to arrest). This has always been the case at large-scale public disorder events for the simple reason there is not a bottomless pit of police officers and an arrest removes one or two for at least a few minutes, even if there are the absolute best prisoner handling facilities in place (which there would not have been for last night) and, usually, for at least an hour.

Despite the whinings regularly rehearsed on here, police officers on public order deployments are always briefed that arrest is a last resort.

(Sadly, for other reasons mostly connected with the centralisation and reduction in custody facilities in many force areas, the same applies every day in many police areas now, with a result that many violent offenders are not removed from the street when such action may have prevented the more serious assaults, etc. some go on to commit later. )

 

[Crispy]

Of course if that Tory cunt Boris hadn't dreamt up this ludicrously ill-thought piece of pointless, knee jerk legislation, there'd be no need for the parties in the first place.

Although, with facebook these days, in theory a carefully planned SH event could have turned out just as badly

 

[scott_forester]

Am I alone in thinking the Bo-Jo will see the wanton destruction of the carriages and the violence of last night's party to be vindication of his policy?

Pretty much what I thought this morning seeing the footage on TV.

 

[detective-boy]

I'm wondering what imprecise phrase ...

You'd better watch out! This is U75 - you know what happens every time I try to ask anyone to be precise in what they post ...

 

[editor]

Although, with facebook these days, in theory a carefully planned SH event could have turned out just as badly

Maybe, but the point is that if the Tory Fop hadn't come up with this stupid, stupid legislation, there'd be no big parties and no hassle in the first place.

 

[detective-boy]

In practice, if you're just quietly having a drink, then you'll be left alone.

A distinction which applies to most behaviour, in most contexts ...

 

[detective-boy]

Oh, and self-righteous fellow travellers.

Which will undoubtedly be the source of many of the more serious incidents, winding nothing situations up into assaults and disorder ...

 

[winjer]

On the other hand, given how stupid CoLP are: I'm guessing they pulled out the file marked "Public Order - Liverpool Street".

And in that file they'd have found it as a meeting point for the M41 Street Party and for J18 1999

So - did they mistake a bunch of people wanting an ironic party (not a protest at all by the sound of it) for... you know...

It'll be BTP not CoLP

No, it was BTP and CoLP from the beginning and it was all fairly calm until they called in back-up from the Met. (Haven't we heard this somewhere before?) The police were referring to it as a demonstration.

 

[winjer]

Although, with facebook these days, in theory a carefully planned SH event could have turned out just as badly

What's the significance of it being facebook, compared to just email?

 

[winjer]

The Wetherspoons pub, whilst on railway property, is technically 'outside the station'. Once you get inside the clearly marked boundaries of Liverpool Street station, then no more alcohol.

Are you determined to undermine your argument by just making stuff up? Ponti's? Bonapartes?