Trident: the vote is today, 18th July 2016

[likesfish]

tridents the votes today on a fifty year programme to allow us to nuke moscow and talk tough at the UN.
had to laugh at the news had a CND person on witttering on about underwater drones and cyberwarfare. Having a pacificst talk about anti submarine warfare tech has to be a bit.

we should have out grown deterrence now but putain seems to be in the pay of BAE

 

[Hocus Eye.]

tridents the votes today on a fifty year programme to allow us to nuke moscow and talk tough at the UN.
had to laugh at the news had a CND person on witttering on about underwater drones and cyberwarfare. Having a pacificst talk about anti submarine warfare tech has to be a bit.

we should have out grown deterrence now but putain seems to be in the pay of BAE

Could you explain that in more detail. What has BAE got to do with it?

 

[Pickman's model]

tridents the votes today on a fifty year programme to allow us to nuke moscow and talk tough at the UN.
had to laugh at the news had a CND person on witttering on about underwater drones and cyberwarfare. Having a pacificst talk about anti submarine warfare tech has to be a bit.

we should have out grown deterrence now but putain seems to be in the pay of BAE

red leader to likesfish what has BAE to do with it?

 

[DotCommunist]

killary benn will have to 'relieve' himself in the HoC bogs both before and after the succesful vote to keep the destroyer of world machines

 

[butchersapron]

tridents the votes today on a fifty year programme to allow us to nuke moscow and talk tough at the UN.
had to laugh at the news had a CND person on witttering on about underwater drones and cyberwarfare. Having a pacificst talk about anti submarine warfare tech has to be a bit.

we should have out grown deterrence now but putain seems to be in the pay of BAE

CND not a pacifist organisation.

 

[dylanredefined]

Could you explain that in more detail. What has BAE got to do with it?

BAE also build submarines.

 

[Hocus Eye.]

BAE also build submarines.

Ah cheers for that dr.

 

[weltweit]

I am in two minds about this, I used to be very pro nuclear weapons but my position has softened a little. They are a balance against Russia in Europe, as is France's arsenal, and the USA. And who knows what the future will hold.

On the other hand the deterrent only works against other nuclear states because no one believes Britain would use or threaten to use against a non nuclear nation and Argentina proved they were no deterrent to an invasion of the Falklands.

I don't believe the system will only cost £31bn though, I expect it to cost a lot more than that.

 

[Santino]

What will be changed by this vote?

 

[dylanredefined]

CND not a pacifist organisation.

Nuclear pacifist then.
Of the two countries that have unilaterally disarmed one of them South Africa got away with it, Ukraine didn't and considering the UK has annoyed every other nuclear at one point or the other. Giving them up is probably a bad idea for the UK.

 

[butchersapron]

Nuclear pacifist then.
Of the two countries that have unilaterally disarmed one of them South Africa got away with it, Ukraine didn't and considering the UK has annoyed every other nuclear at one point or the other. Giving them up is probably a bad idea for the UK.

So there's no contradiction in them discussing non-nuclear methods of defence is there?

Not really interested in the rest.

 

[dylanredefined]

So there's no contradiction in them discussing non-nuclear methods of defence is there?

Not really interested in the rest.

Not really pro defence in any shape or form though are they?

 

[Celyn]

Nuclear pacifist then.
Of the two countries that have unilaterally disarmed one of them South Africa got away with it, Ukraine didn't and considering the UK has annoyed every other nuclear at one point or the other. Giving them up is probably a bad idea for the UK.

Which country do you expect to nuke us?

 

[butchersapron]

Not really pro defence in any shape or form though are they?

I couldn't care less about that either tbh

 

[gosub]

BAE also build submarines.

In deed British Aerospace changed its name to BAe after it made a statement in the 90's that it was going to concentrate on its core business of nuclear submarines. Of all the companies that amalgamated to from the company, Vickers was the significant component. BAe Systems Martime is the principle employer in Barrow in Furness

 

[killer b]

What will be changed by this vote?

How the voting public view the Labour Party, they hope.

 

[Celyn]

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we should have out grown deterrence now but putain seems to be in the pay of BAE

I'm not sure whether "putain" was an amusing slip of the keyboard or if you are calling Putin a whore.

 

[likesfish]

russia playing games is a possibility dont exactly trust israel or pakistan or india either

 

[likesfish]

I'm not sure whether "putain" was an amusing slip of the keyboard or if you are calling Putin a whore.

yes both

 

[YouSir]

russia playing games is a possibility dont exactly trust israel or pakistan or india either

Why would any of them nuke us though? And even if they did, why would any of them imagine there'd be no retaliation from NATO/European states? Sure, if anything acting as a nuclear forward guard for NATO and the US is the only thing that really makes us a worthwhile target. Otherwise we don't matter.

 

[weltweit]

Should be an anonymous poll!

 

[weltweit]

Anyone know what wider voters think about the deterrent?

 

[Santino]

Or thinner voters for that matter.

 

[YouSir]

Anyone know what wider voters think about the deterrent?

Not much, I suspect. Never heard anyone raise Trident as an issue unless they'd a serious interest.

 

[danny la rouge]

Anyone know what wider voters think about the deterrent?

Yes, they all think it's a spurious concept. Every one of them.

 

[weltweit]

YouGov | Public support for nuclear weapons

The majority of Britons back keeping Trident nuclear weapons

 

[danny la rouge]

Do you didn't wonder at all.

 

[The Octagon]

So who are the UK expected to nuke, assuming the worst and these weapons are needed?

Is it a few million non-combatants in Moscow or a few million non-combatants in Islamabad?

 

[YouSir]

So who are the UK expected to nuke, assuming the worst and these weapons are needed?

Is it a few million non-combatants in Moscow or a few million non-combatants in Islamabad?

Without suitable vengeance who'd ever take us seriously at the post apocalyptic meeting of smoldering slag heap leaders?

 

[2hats]

Of the two countries that have unilaterally disarmed one of them South Africa got away with it, Ukraine didn't

Conveniently ignoring Belarus and Kazakhstan.

No former SSR outwith the RSFSR 'had' nuclear weapons post 1991 (in the sense that they could be delivered to a given target in anything close to a timely fashion, independently) since the PALs remained under (the by then) Russian command and control. Ukraine may have toyed with the idea of and had the technical skills to repurpose the warheads on their soil but didn't proceed due to both lack of money and lack of suitable testing facilities (at the very least).

But we digress somewhat; back to mass genocide and the pointless rubber stamping of the national money burning, dick waving, suicide option.